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Gabriele Becattini
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 Posted: Mon 03 Mar, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: 1865 cross hilt pattern scottish officer sword |
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hello,
someone could tell me where i can find pics of a 1865 cross hilt officer sword, as was worn in undress
order by highlands and lowlands regiments?
thanks
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Jonathan Hopkins
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Jonathan Hopkins
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From Robson's Swords of the British Army:
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Gabriele Becattini
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| Posted: Tue 04 Mar, 2008 1:13 am Post subject: 1865 cross hilt pattern scottish officer sword |
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hi jonathan
excellent photos, i have been always courious to know the reason for the adoption of such anachronistic
(but really beautifull) sword pattern beyond the purely aestetical reason. Do you know the last appearance
of this kind of sword on a battlefield? I have seen on a volume of the Osprey man-at-arms series(British army on campaign 1882-1902) an illustration showing an officer of the royal scots in zululand (1896)wlith this kind of weapons .
thanks
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Peter G.
Location: Bad Kreuznach/Germany Joined: 16 Nov 2007
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As far as i know the crosshilt could be removed and replaced with a basket hilt.
The crooshilt more comfortable to wear, the baskethilt offering more handprotection in combat.
See "Worlds swords" by H.J.S. Withers, Page 166
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Christopher Gregg
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| Posted: Tue 04 Mar, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: SCotish crosshilt swords |
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Yes, Peter is correct.
When I had the opportunity to handle Donnie Shearer's collection, he had a couple of these cross hilted swords, and he showed me how they unscrewed to allow the basket to be installed (or removed). I know, it seems strange that such an anchronistic design would still be in use, but there you have it. In its slimmed down form, the cross hilt sword is very light, much like the earlier riding swords, I suppose.
Christopher Gregg
'S Rioghal Mo Dhream!
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Jonathan Hopkins
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| Posted: Tue 04 Mar, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Here is an excerpt from Harvey Withers' British Military Swords 1786-1912:
| Quote: | The Scottish officer's cross-hilted sword made is debut during the mid-nineteenth century. The practical reasons for its introduction are still not wholly clear. It had already been accepted that the standard basket hilt was not a comfortable sword to carry both in combat and also in undress situations. The cross-hilt would no doubt have been an easier sword to use in the field as it has more thrusting capabilities, but it gives absolutely no protection to the hand. It actually echoes the style of the Scottish Claymore sword of four hundred years earlier.
Each regiment tended to adopt their own hilt design and these can be identified by observing the pommel, hilt quillons and langets. Examples include The Seaforth and Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders who carried a hilt with bun pommel and ball quillons, the Highland Light Infantry, a tubular pommel and ball quillons, and the Royal Scots Fusiliers, a smooth, domed pommel and ball quillons.
Like the 1828 Pattern Basket Hilt, the cross-hilt could be disassembled with the pommel, grip and cross-bar interchangeable with the basket hilt. The cross-hilt had a relatively short life and most examples are late Victorian and early Edwardian in date. By the end of the First World War, most regiments had dropped the pattern and re-adopted the basket hilt. The Black Watch never chose to carry the cross-hilt. |
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