[Rodolfo Martínez]

Hello guys.

This is some kind of statue in Kiev. I guess its armour is someking of medieval Russian or Greek one, but i have no idea.
Do you know if this type of armour really existed, when, hw they were employed and how they were made?


Thank you.

P.D.
I have seen similar armours in greek icons too.
Just if anyone knows, Do you know if there is any Saint Michael Archangel´s paint or WOODCUT , with a maximilian armour from XVI century?[/img]

[M. Eversberg II]

Looks sort of like that leather armour I've seen on some Roman figures.

M.

[Sean Smith]

Initial guess is that it is from Rennisance Italy. There was a big movement to do Roman-ized armour. Very rennisance-ish, but with an eye to Roman feel, and imagery.

[Rodolfo Martínez]

Thanks guys, and, What do you think about this Icon?
I don´t know its age.

[Sean Smith]

Not totally sure of the origin (aka. if it is the original culture, or another one portraying art in the original style).

Definately Byzantine. The lamellar across the body, along with the hanging skirt are the first indication. What really set this as truly Byzantine is the lamellar sleeve (almost all effigies have 3 lames of lamellar on the upper arm), along with teh bazubands on the forearm.

My initial guess is a Byzantine wall effigy of St. Michael.

[Rodolfo Martínez]

I heard that lamellar armours were made of steel too for heavy cavalry, Do you know if they used some kind of gloves and mail or other protection for their arms and legs?

Thanks

Anybody knows of any Saint Michael painting with Maximilian armour? (All i found is wearing Milanese armour)

[Dan Howard]

[Dan Howard]

[Bruno Giordan]

Looks like a late baroque work, heavily restored or even remade, as many eastern european towns were badly damaged in WW2, not to mention the deliberate curch destructions following the soviet upheaval.

You will notice that the wall plaster is perfect, no sign of repainting over oldest strata as it is typical of intact buildings.

In any case the cuirass and faulds are the result of the usual western europen re-interpretation of roman armor, shield appears as eclectic or more traditionally eastern.

I would say a rather academic work of no great importance, even if the image is not sufficiently detailed to give such a bad judgment with ease....

Only local historians could tell the real story of that statue and church.

[Bruno Giordan]

[Michael Shayduk]

[M. Eversberg II]

[Douglas Huxtable]

[Rodolfo Martínez]

Thanks to all guys.
Anyway, i think they( Byzantines) did a great work with their icons, i guess its not easy to paint or do a lamellar armour.
By the way, i have some weird-looking images here to share and the ilanese armoured Michael.

[Rodolfo Martínez]

Here there are some more Saint Michael, Saint George and other images.

[Rodolfo Martínez]

Hello again guys.
A friend borrowed me Osprey´s Byzantine armies 1118-1461 and i have seen some byzantine men-at-arms.
Do you know where can i get any image of real people wearing the byzantine steel lamellar armour as their men-at-arms did (With the sleeves, skirt,etc...)

Thanks

[Lafayette C Curtis]

[Rodolfo Martínez]

Thanks Lafayette! Those images are wonderful.
I have seen very few lamellar suits but, i have some doubts about that lamellar armour, Do you know if they really used that type of small ¨pauldrons¨ over the lamellar sleeves?

Thanks.

[Rodolfo Martínez]

Hello people!
take a look at this painting

http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images2/michael_by_raphael1.jpg

Do you think he could be wearing Maximilian armour with any kind of bases, surcoat, or whatever?