Posts: 11,553 Location: San Francisco
Wed 31 Mar, 2004 10:49 am
| Roger Hooper wrote: |
| One thing I don't understand about the hot peening process -- What is holding the guard tight against the shoulder? Is it a tight, forced mechanical fit, or is it that fit, plus some bonding that might occur between the guard and the tang during the hot peening process? Or something else? |
Check out This Article for some insights. Step Six has some answers to your questions.
Posts: 1,191 Location: San Francisco, CA
Wed 31 Mar, 2004 10:55 am
Hi Roger,
Here is a previous thread in which the Albion stuff explains the guard assembly:
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=865
Alexi
Posts: 427 Location: Crown Point, IN
Wed 31 Mar, 2004 11:09 am
Re: Hahahahahahahaha {in an evil cackle}
| Craig Johnson wrote: |
Did I tell you what my brother got me for my fortieth bday. 40 year old port Newport 1963, a noted vintage. Saddly I am almost 41 and it no longer is with me. But it died as noble a death as any great hero of legend! It was pure nector.
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Oh you sooo suck! Why didn't you share? No more Optima for you! :)
I'd rather highjack it because I don't like these vs. threads (no offense to anyone). :)
Posts: 11,553 Location: San Francisco
Wed 31 Mar, 2004 11:20 am
Re: Hahahahahahahaha {in an evil cackle}
| Eric McHugh wrote: |
| I'd rather highjack it because I don't like these vs. threads (no offense to anyone). :) |
I don't either. Though I think there's value to the comparison of pieces and even makers, I don't know if the "this vs. this" type of wording is really all that condusive to positive conversation... so far, we've been really well behaved and on topic.. another indication of how much this site's community simply.. well, rocks.
Posts: 4,393 Location: Northern California
Wed 31 Mar, 2004 11:35 am
| Nathan Robinson wrote: |
| Roger Hooper wrote: | | The nice thing about a pommel nut, (A&A and ATrim) is that that pressure can be restored easily. |
Which current A&A swords have pommel nuts?
A couple have rivet blocks--a very nice historical detail--but are not threaded. As Craig told me recently, and I mentioned above, they've changed to making all swords (smallsword and stage weapons excluded) with peened, not threaded, tangs. |
I never said they were threaded. I guess I misspoke when I described the arrangement on top of my Schloss Erbach pommel as a pommel nut.
Posts: 11,553 Location: San Francisco
Wed 31 Mar, 2004 11:38 am
| Roger Hooper wrote: |
| I never said they were threaded. I guess I misspoke when I described the arrangement on top of my Schloss Erbach pommel as a pommel nut. |
Yours might be old enough to have it threaded though.. I think I have one that is.. was just wondering about the current items for prospective buyers...
Posts: 427 Location: Crown Point, IN
Wed 31 Mar, 2004 11:59 am
Re: Hahahahahahahaha {in an evil cackle}
| Nathan Robinson wrote: |
| Eric McHugh wrote: | | I'd rather highjack it because I don't like these vs. threads (no offense to anyone). :) |
I don't either. Though I think there's value to the comparison of pieces and even makers, I don't know if the "this vs. this" type of wording is really all that condusive to positive conversation... so far, we've been really well behaved and on topic.. another indication of how much this site's community simply.. well, rocks. |
:lol: I was mostly being silly. It is hard when, like in Craig's case, I really respect the other maker. Often these type threads are merely a pooling of opinions rather than empirical statements. Please do not read that I think this is bad, but I'm sure Craig will agree that it is often difficult to compare one maker to another...many factors to consider...some are not quite as tangible as others. Just me being opinionated again. :D
Posts: 1,422 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Wed 31 Mar, 2004 12:40 pm
I agree Eric
I agree Eric
I just see it as a great choice for the customers as I think their money would be well spent on either product line.
Craig
Posts: 1,422 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Wed 31 Mar, 2004 5:33 pm
Pommel Nut stuff
Howdy All
I just wanted to clear up, or muddy up depending on the point of view, the process we use for sword assembly. Its a relatively consistant process with the swords. The tang passes through the guard, grip and pommel in the usual manner. The pommels that recieve a pommel nut will have one applied. This is where we will use threading unless the customer has requested otherwise. Then we peen the tang to hold the nut in place. The pommels that do not usually have a pommel nut are peened in place. The items are fit as tightly as possible prior to this peening so the compression needed is minimal.
If any on needs info on specific items just email me and I can give you the skinny.
Best
Craig
Posts: 11,553 Location: San Francisco
Wed 31 Mar, 2004 5:44 pm
Re: Pommel Nut stuff
| Craig Johnson wrote: |
Howdy All
I just wanted to clear up, or muddy up depending on the point of view, the process we use for sword assembly. Its a relatively consistant process with the swords. The tang passes through the guard, grip and pommel in the usual manner. The pommels that recieve a pommel nut will have one applied. This is where we will use threading unless the customer has requested otherwise. Then we peen the tang to hold the nut in place. The pommels that do not usually have a pommel nut are peened in place. The items are fit as tightly as possible prior to this peening so the compression needed is minimal.
If any on needs info on specific items just email me and I can give you the skinny.
Best
Craig |
Yay! From the horse's mouth.
Er, sorry for calling you a horse. :)
Posts: 147
Thu 01 Apr, 2004 10:05 am
I wasn't really looking for opinions on which sword is better. I just wanted to know about how each was made. I personally love both makers. Each has swords types the other doesn't and exceptional quality. So I guess there really wasn't even a good reason for this thread other than an idiot’s curiosity. :blush:
Posts: 3,646 Location: Midwest
Thu 01 Apr, 2004 1:01 pm
For what its worth I think the question and the answers provided (by the people in question) were interesting. Its was also nice to see it discussed in a friendly manner.
Posts: 427 Location: Crown Point, IN
Thu 01 Apr, 2004 2:01 pm
Hold on just one minute...
| Ryan A. C. wrote: |
| I wasn't really looking for opinions on which sword is better. I just wanted to know about how each was made. I personally love both makers. Each has swords types the other doesn't and exceptional quality. So I guess there really wasn't even a good reason for this thread other than an idiot’s curiosity. :blush: |
Ryan, you have every right to start this thread, and from a customers point of view, it is very relevant. As a maker, I dislike these threads...mostly because they are hard to qualify. It is MY hang-up, not yours. I like to get along with everyone...including my comp. In Craig's case, he is a friend, which makes these threads even more uncomfortable. So I dislike any thread that could possibly unsettle my little fantasy world. :)
You are not an idiot and your questions are relevant. I'm sorry I gave the impression that what you were doing was bad...forgive me. Please ask away... :)
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