I have been wanting to get a small sword for some time now, but I obviously don't want something too heavy, too long, out of proportion, etc. What smallsword on the market now can offer the closest feel tot the original style?

Hi Robert-

Welcome to myArmoury.com!

I don't know which is the best on the market, but let me steer you to these reviews in case you have not yet seen them:

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Del Tin 5181 Smallsword
A hands-on review by Bill Grandy

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Cold Steel Smallsword
A hands-on review by Bill Grandy

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Arms & Armor Smallsword
Reviewed by Stephen Fisher

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Arms & Armor English Loop-hilt Smallsword
A hands-on review by Stephen Fisher

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G. Gedney Godwin Smallsword
Reviewed by Stephen Fisher

well i would love to order the arms and armor model, since it seems to be the closest to an exact replica, without the looping at the top and whatnot, but $850? I may have to save my pennies lol. Actually the other arms and armor model, with the finger loops, seems to be an interstingly desirable blade as well, and at a little kinder price.

Getting the "best" on a budget isn't possible.

Getting the best for the buck is another question...

I can honestly say that there was a time when $440 was a lot of money to spend on a sword, even for a high-quality one... :confused:

Anyway, Robert, I do know of a maker called Rogue Steel that makes rapiers and smallswords for stage and film. I think Paul Chen makes one too that isn't too expensive.

I had stumbled on this site one day. I know nothing about the product, other than it looks good for the price. A couple of interesting looking smallsword options.

http://www.dkiempire.com/Secure/smilingfox/index.asp

Cheers

GC

You may wish to look at the French Officer's Epee or Straight Sword at http://www.militaryheritage.com/swords1.htm
I think that it is quite handsome, very distinctive, and it is reasonably priced.

Another option is the G. Gedney Godwin Colichemarde Smallsword which I find to be a very nice sword for the money and certainly distinctive.

Well, since we're discussing one of my favorite types of sword, I felt compelled to chime in. I have not yet, unfortunately, had the chance to handle a smallsword of any kind, and my current budget restricts me to window-shopping. Judging from the reviews on this most excellent site, the Arms & Armor and Godwin smallswords seem to be the best, most accurate ones available. (And A&A recently unveiled a Silvered Smallsword that I'm practically salivating over...) $400 is hardly cheap, I know, but is still quite a bit less than the other swords offered by Arms & Armor.

Some other sites were mentioned, but personally I thought their smallsword offerings -- and those on the few other sites I've managed to find during the past year or so -- looked rather sad. To my thinking, Why spend $250 for a comparatively shoddy sword when a bit more saving will get you an item of almost guaranteed quality?

But that's just me rambling and being snobby about my future sword purchases; I know I've got quite a few more pennies to save first! ;) Best of luck in your decision!

well I find the Godwin and both Arms and Armor smallswords to be the best buys for their price range without actually buying an antique. As much as I wan tthe arms and armor models, I will most likely end up buying the Godwin model, which is still rather attractive, and with the colichemarde blade, I think it will be a fine buy for my first smallsword. But before that, I am buying my mortuary hilt english half-basket.

Hi Robert, yep the fine stuff does cost and I too am of limited financial means, however I did put together a rather large collection by sacrificing a lot of things. Although, it is true that when I embarked on putting my collection together in the late summer of 2005, I had the unusual fortune (for the luck in my life :lol: ) to have several thousand come my way, which provided for one big "kick start"!
Outside of this bit of luck, I did sacrifice a lot, no more restaurants, going to movies, kept and maintained my 89 Ford
beater van that runs very good, no auto payments and low insurance premiums. Narrowed down my grocery bill, any way you could imagine, I either went without or put limits wherever I could. Result: 9 swords, 1 rapier, 11 polearms, 4 daggers, 2 bucklers from Arms & Armor, 2 swords from Albion and some swords, polearms and daggers from the midrange area, namely Hanwei and Windlass.
Those smallswords are very nice that Arms & Armor has, in fact I've been looking at that $440.00 smallsword for quite some time now. I believe it weighs 15 ounces and is fast as lightening.
I sure know what it's like to have a tight budget, for myself I focused on one area and that of course was this collection. True, had I not had that chunk of cash come into being, my collection would be much smaller. But one thing for sure, speaking for myself "Only". All those sacrifices and driving a beater that runs well, though the radio does not work and for the most part the van looks like hell but no rust. I just look at it this way, cars and vans only depreciate in value, they have a limited life expectancy, etc. But Smallswords, Rapiers and Swords of premium quality if cared for properly will last a multiple of decades instead of a vehicle that only lasts a multiple of years, and these smallswords, rapiers and swords of premium quality maintain and often increase their value.
I sure can emphathize with you on the limited budget, that chunk of cash is now here in steel and the reality of a much slowed down pace of acquisitions is life on life's terms for me.
Although that smallsword is a tad expensive it's worth every dime and you will no doubt be very happy for many years to come.
I am only relating my own reality, not at all trying to tell you how to acquire the smallsword, just stating the fact that I know exactly where your coming from and I am rooting for you :!: It is my Hope that something really nice will happen for you that loosens things up to make the acquisition of the smallsword that you would really like to have, becomes
your reality!

May a wonderful stroke of financial luck come your way soon! ;) Your not asking for too much and the way I see it,
You deserve to get a lucky break!

I Sure Hope it Happens for "You"!

Sincerely,

Bob

I need a bumper sticker that says: My Vehicle Might Be a Clunker But You Oughta See My Sword Collection :lol:

Yes, whose Mortuary? I've been staring longingly at Armour Class's for weeks now...

And I just remembered. The maker Lutel also offers smallswords, though I have no real idea as to their quality. Lutel has, however, gotten generally good reviews, if I recall correctly. I don't know if their smallswords are entirely historically accurate, but they look quite nice to me. I also don't know how much they would cost in US dollars...

Just thought I'd mention it!

Well I don't want to continue a diversion from the top which is "Smallswords", but just briefly about the mortuary sword to help Robert out maybe. I have the Hanwei Cromwell Sword, which is a mortuary sword and I really like it a whole lot!
With that said, I look forward to reading more posts about Smallswords so as to possible learn a bit more about them.

SIncerely,

Bob

This is a very interesting thread! I've been scouring the net for information on small swords. As a sport fencer, I was curious if there were any small swords on the market that handled close to a foil or epee (I don't know what a historical small sword handles like). Some of the reviews listed above talk about parries, beats, ripostes, etc, but I am not sure if they refer to actions in a historical style of fencing or in modern sport fencing. Is this a realistic thing to search for? Do people care about historical small swords that would feel natural in a sport fencer's hands? Or am I just crazy?

Thanks,
Drew

Drew,

My sport weapon is epee, and from everything I've been led to believe, a smallsword handles much like a shorter, more rigid epee. The trouble with sport fencing is that many of the techniques have strayed very far from what would have been possible with a weapon intended for combat. I've heard that strict classical fencing is a bit closer to the mark, in that guys like Aldo Nadi fought duels with sharp epees. (In Ferro Veritas or the master's program at San Jose State are what I'm taking about when I say "classical".) I've never had proper training in actual classical fencing, though, so I cannot verify that personally. Of course there are always the Mensur fraternities left in some parts of Europe who like to bloody each other up a bit. I haven't done that, either. From what I can tell though, it seems that much of what happens in a sport bout would be pointless or suicidal if the combat was with a smallsword or rapier. Likewise, many moves that would have been lethal in combat are at a disadvantage using electric weapons and electric scoring, since many modern fencing attacks exist to fool the scoring machine into thinking that a successful touch was made when one in fact has not been. I've had limited success trying to blend the two worlds, and it has led me to more or less give up on sport fencing entirely. I still do it, because it's the only thing that I can do here, but I see no future in it for me. I'm reserving judgment on classical fencing until I have the opportunity to study it.

Bill Grandy might chime in on this question. He knows a lot more about it than I do.