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Chad Arnow
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PostPosted: Thu 21 Sep, 2006 8:23 pm    Post subject: New MRL helms         Reply with quote

The folks at MRL have been busy. They've introduced a Pembridge-style great helm:



and a bascinet with aventail:



I wonder if they're made to be worn together.

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Sep, 2006 10:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

If you look closely in the right eyeslit of the great helm (viewer's right!), you can see the curved edge of the bascinet. So, it's gotta be under there in that picture! I wonder if they include the padded cloth donut thingy for between the two. It would be prudent of them to have made the pembridge in 16 guage, but that's probably not the case...
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PostPosted: Thu 21 Sep, 2006 10:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

On one hand it will be neat to see the next catalog.

On the other hand...

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PostPosted: Fri 22 Sep, 2006 6:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Torsten F.H. Wilke wrote:
If you look closely in the right eyeslit of the great helm (viewer's right!), you can see the curved edge of the bascinet. So, it's gotta be under there in that picture! I wonder if they include the padded cloth donut thingy for between the two. It would be prudent of them to have made the pembridge in 16 guage, but that's probably not the case...


Torsten,
Good eyes! Happy I hadn't noticed that. That intrigues me.

I wish the aventail for the bascinet wasn't made of butted mail. Sad

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PostPosted: Fri 22 Sep, 2006 8:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:

I wish the aventail for the bascinet wasn't made of butted mail. Sad


Ummmmm, good point. Of course, you could just order up a few thousand 8mm rings from GDFB and make a riveted aventail............ Eek! Laughing Out Loud

Have to say though, that other than the butted aventail, I do like the set.

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PostPosted: Fri 22 Sep, 2006 8:41 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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you could just order up a few thousand 8mm rings from GDFB and make a riveted aventail............


Not if you want to keep your sanity intact. Wink

I like the shape of the Pembridge helm. Having worn a similar helm in mock-combat I have absolutely no desire to acquire another one as a 'user'. On the other hand, it would make a very nice display piece, maybe with a little salt and vinegar to age it up a bit?
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PostPosted: Fri 22 Sep, 2006 9:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Patrick Kelly wrote:
On the other hand, it would make a very nice display piece, maybe with a little salt and vinegar to age it up a bit?


I think so too, but you'd have to scrub all that darn lacquer off.... That doesn't sound appealing to me. Happy

It looks like a fairly decent helm.

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PostPosted: Fri 22 Sep, 2006 9:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The last 3-4 Windlass made pieces I've received haven't had any lacquer on them. Maybe they've discontinued the practice.
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PostPosted: Fri 22 Sep, 2006 9:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Patrick Kelly wrote:
The last 3-4 Windlass made pieces I've received haven't had any lacquer on them. Maybe they've discontinued the practice.


As of a couple of months ago when I emailed them about a different helm, they said they coat everything. Who knows? My old MRL helm was unlacquered (and rusty). They seem to go through lacquering phases, as well as horrid nickel-plating phases.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Does anyone have any further opinions on either of these helms? Has anybody purchased either of them? I'd like to order a good quality visored bascinet, but all the armorers that I spoke with have a substantial waiting list. I was thinking about ordering the Great Helm, and building a crest for it to hold me over until I can get something better. Any thoughts on this idea? I would be using it for living history, so I wouldn't want to waste the money if it isn't of reasonable accuracy.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr, 2007 6:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Kenton Spaulding wrote:
Does anyone have any further opinions on either of these helms? Has anybody purchased either of them? I'd like to order a good quality visored bascinet, but all the armorers that I spoke with have a substantial waiting list. I was thinking about ordering the Great Helm, and building a crest for it to hold me over until I can get something better. Any thoughts on this idea? I would be using it for living history, so I wouldn't want to waste the money if it isn't of reasonable accuracy.

Thanks,

Kenton


I haven't seen one in person, but from the photos it actually looks like a decently done (or better) helm. Putting a crest on it would be fantastic. If I had the money, time, or skills, I'd get one and build a crest for it.

You may want to check on what kind of suspension there is in the great helm if you don't also get the bascinet.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The fact that MRL states that the Bascinet has an adjustable liner, but no liner is mentioned for the Great Helm, I would imagine that the Great Helm comes unlined. For anyone with experience with MRL helms in general, what are the liners (if present) like. How functional and adjustable are they?
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Apr, 2007 8:38 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I ordered one of thier sallets years ago but sent it back because of the liner. It was a cheesy suspension type made with a not very good quality leather and broke when I tried to adjust it. It was not a properly padded liner. Who knows, maybe they have improved over the years. Didn't care for the shape of the helmet bowl either.
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr, 2007 6:58 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Kenton Spaulding wrote:
The fact that MRL states that the Bascinet has an adjustable liner, but no liner is mentioned for the Great Helm, I would imagine that the Great Helm comes unlined. For anyone with experience with MRL helms in general, what are the liners (if present) like. How functional and adjustable are they?


My old greta helm has no liner or suspension, but I hear that they do now.

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Apr, 2007 11:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello there
Ive been working for some time on this tipe of helm.
and think that the one on the fotos is rather different than the artifact
so theres the fotos of my work



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PostPosted: Mon 16 Apr, 2007 5:40 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here is the original Pembridge helm. Of course, we don't know if MRL based it solely on the Pembridge helm or if it was another similar helm. For its price, I don't think it's too far off.


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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr, 2007 1:41 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

thers the helm that similar to the Pembridge one


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