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Manouchehr M.
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Dear friends,
Let us continue our tour. I would really appreciate your input on any of these helmets.
Kind regards
Manouchehr
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Hisham Gaballa
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Hi Manouchehr,
A lot of those look like the type sof helmets that were used by 16th-17th century Polish hussars. The capelline in particular was used by hussar retainers.
There was an article about it on myArmoury a while back:
http://www.myArmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
Hussar armour itself was a mixture of Western European and Turkish influences.
Polish hussars were apparently also particularly fond of Persian swords and sabres.
All the best,
Hisham
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Manouchehr M.
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| Hisham Gaballa wrote: | Hi Manouchehr,
A lot of those look like the type sof helmets that were used by 16th-17th century Polish hussars. The capelline in particular was used by hussar retainers.
There was an article about it on myArmoury a while back:
http://www.myArmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
Hussar armour itself was a mixture of Western European and Turkish influences.
Polish hussars were apparently also particularly fond of Persian swords and sabres.
All the best,
Hisham |
Thank you very much Hisham. I really appreciate it.
Kind regards
Manouchehr
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Vincent Le Chevalier
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| Posted: Fri 06 Apr, 2007 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| Manouchehr M. wrote: | Who is Armand de Gontaut? I really appreciate your input.
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More info about him here in Wikipedia...
Regards
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Vincent
Ensis Sub Caelo
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Manouchehr M.
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| Vincent Le Chevalier wrote: | | Manouchehr M. wrote: | Who is Armand de Gontaut? I really appreciate your input.
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More info about him here in Wikipedia...
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Thank you very much Vincent for your kind input. I really appreciate it.
Where can I find a copy of this treatise?
"Some of his letters are preserved in the Bibliothèque nationale and in the British Museum; these include a treatise on the art of war."
Kind regards
Manouchehr
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Manouchehr M.
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Dear friends,
Let us continue our tour in this wonderful museum.
Armour made for Anne de Montmorency
French work circa 1550
Kind regards
Manouchehr Moshtagh Khorasani
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I would call it a cut and thrust sword. I can't see it's blade deminsions very well. If it has edges suitable to cutting then I would call it a cut and thrust sword or side sword. Otherwise it might be an early rapier. Not that there was a strong distinction between how they were initially viewed in period.
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
-Hebrews 4:12
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Manouchehr M.
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| Greg Coffman wrote: | | I would call it a cut and thrust sword. I can't see it's blade deminsions very well. If it has edges suitable to cutting then I would call it a cut and thrust sword or side sword. Otherwise it might be an early rapier. Not that there was a strong distinction between how they were initially viewed in period. |
Thank you very much Greg for your valuable input. Would you please take a look at the attached picture? Would it help you?
Kind regards
Manouchehr
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Hugo Voisine
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This german armour is interesting. It's funny, I was under the impression that this kind of gorget was out of fashion in the mid XVI century... but then again it's german so why not...
Anybody knows what kind of helmet would be worn with such armour ? Seems like a closed helmet would be inappropriate...
« Que dites-vous ?... C'est inutile ?... Je le sais !
Mais on ne se bat pas dans l'espoir du succès !
Oh ! non, c'est bien plus beau lorsque c'est inutile ! »
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Gordon Frye
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| Hugo Voisine wrote: | This german armour is interesting. It's funny, I was under the impression that this kind of gorget was out of fashion in the mid XVI century... but then again it's german so why not...
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Hugo;
I would expect it to be a burgonet. And I suspect that the buff/bevor would actually be fixed to the helmet by a strap around the back of the neck, but since there isn't one for this armour, they've just arranged it on the armour for the over-all look. It MAY be actually fitted to the breastplate like the 15th Century versions, but I've never seen such a beast from this late. But I would think that the helmet would be such as these:
Cheers!
Gordon
"After God, we owe our victory to our Horses"
Gonsalo Jimenez de Quesada
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From your pictures, that sword does seem to be a cut and thrust sword. The blade appears to be hollow ground which is interesting. It looks like it would do very well in the thrust as far as being stiff. I wonder how well it would cut near the tip.
I would assume that a morion would most likely go with that gorget.
http://www.myArmoury.com/view.html?features/pic_spot_burg09.jpg
However, an older sallet might have been the original piece or even some form of the burgonet.
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
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Hugo,
I am with Gordon's answer to your question. If you look at the bottom with it zoomed in there appear to be no connections where one would expect for that time. It also looks like it is not quite laying properly with the suit so I assume it was connected as Gordon recommended as well.If it was under as was common for gorgets of the 16th on you would assume it to have a back so it does not move which this one does not seem to have. It does appear to have a gorget as well.... very unusual for both to be under then. A burgonet with a buff would have been fairly common and what is more interesting is that the buff is of the same design as the suit. I bet somewhere out there at oen point there was a burgonet with the same decoration. Good question though. The buff seems to have come from the bevor so it is a logical thing to think.
RPM
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Thanks Gordon and Randall. I saw a photo of what you're describing in a magazine yesterday. Looks great ! 
« Que dites-vous ?... C'est inutile ?... Je le sais !
Mais on ne se bat pas dans l'espoir du succès !
Oh ! non, c'est bien plus beau lorsque c'est inutile ! »
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Manouchehr M.
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Dear friends,
I have come to the end of my pictures. I hope you have enjoyed this tour. I will surely take more pictures of other pieces when I am there next time.
Meanwhile I am posting some better pictures of a Chinese saber that I posted before that were provided to me by Mr. Alex Huangfu. I hope you have enjoyed our journey.
KInd regards
Manouchehr Moshtagh Khorasani
Courtesy of Alex Huangfu
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Manouchehr M.
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Dear friends,
If you wish to add more pictures from this museum to this thread, please feel free to do so. If you have any question about any piece posted so far, please bring this up as well. Thanks.
Kind regards
Manouchehr
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Manouchehr M.
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Dear friends,
I was in Paris again couple of weeks ago and took some shots of some firearms and some other stuff there. Would you like me to continue here?  Any antique firearm interested people?
Kind regards
Manouchehr
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