Do you have some more pics or illustrations about this helmet?
Thank you
M.
Can you tell me something more about this Russian helmet.
Do you have some more pics or illustrations about this helmet?
Thank you
M.
Do you have some more pics or illustrations about this helmet?
Thank you
M.
| Miljan Ignjatovic wrote: |
| Can you tell me something more about this Russian helmet.
Do you have some more pics or illustrations about this helmet? Thank you M. |
The style of this helmet is variously known as a chichak, shishak and zischagge. It is a style that originated in Ottoman Turkey or Mamluk Egypt. The oldest surving example of a helmet of this type is Egyptian and dates to circa 1430 AD, the so-called helmet of Barsbay, now in the Louvre. As a result of the Ottoman conquests it was widely adopted in Eastern Europe by the Russians, Poles and Hungarians. A variant of this type of helmet made its way westwards and became the "lobster-tailed pots" used in the English Civil War. the guy in the 2nd picture looks like a 17th century Polish Hussar.
That particular helmet (the top one) is Russian and belonged to Czar Mikhael Fiodorovitch. it dates to the second half of the 16th century and I think it is now in the Kremlin Armoury Museum. There is also a school of thought that this particular helmet helmet was originally Turkish or persian, because if you look carefully, there is an Arabic Inscription around the top.
I have a few more pics of helmets of this type if you're interested.
| Hisham Gaballa wrote: |
| I have a few more pics of helmets of this type if you're interested. |
I would love to see more pics!
| Jason Elrod wrote: | ||
I would love to see more pics! |
Lets see what i can do then.
A google image search produced these, click on the links:
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/08/eusb/hob_04.3.456a.htm
http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/fcgi-bin/db2ww...mp;author=
http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/fcgi-bin/db2ww...Hieronymus
The rest are my pics, scanned from books or found on the internet. I cannot remember the websites of the ones I found on t'internet, but I am very grateful to all the people who share their pictures with the rest of us.
"Helmet of Sultan Barsbay", circa 1430 AD
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys...met_61.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys...oman_3.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys...16th_C.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys...chak_1.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys...mluk_1.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8351/ottomanhelmet21df.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/8719/ottoman...met4mx.jpg
These are 16th century Ottoman tombak helmets, i.e. gilt copper parade helmets:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys...ttoman.jpg
And this is an Indian helmet which seems to have been influenced by the chichak
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys...helmet.jpg
I also found this on t'internet years ago, my thanks to whoever originally placed it there:
[ Linked Image ]
Thanx for the great pictures. Just what I needed.
| Miljan Ignjatovic wrote: |
| Thanx for the great pictures. Just what I needed. |
Your welcome. Here's another picture of Czar Mikhael Fiodorovitch's helmet.
Click on the thumbnail:
[ Linked Image ]
| Hisham Gaballa wrote: | ||
Your welcome. Here's another picture of Czar Mikhael Fiodorovitch's helmet. Click on the thumbnail: [ Linked Image ] |
I have one more question: that nosepart of the helmet, I saw in one pic that is was going up and down, is that true?
Why does the nasal slide?
Yes, the nasal on these helmets can be adjusted. The only reason I can think for this is the obvious, to get the nasal out of the face when not needed.
| Felix Wang wrote: |
| Yes, the nasal on these helmets can be adjusted. The only reason I can think for this is the obvious, to get the nasal out of the face when not needed. |
What he said. :)
I also remember reading somewhere that the nasal is slid up when using a bow so as not to snag the bowstring.
Sliding nasals are a common feature on many Islamic, Indian and Eastern European helmets.
Check out the links, these are NOT chichaks, yet they still have sliding nasals:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys...ttoman.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/Nephtys...th_c_1.jpg
Finale I found some good pic.
M.
M.
| Miljan Ignjatovic wrote: |
| Finale I found some good pic.
M. |
Yes, those both seem to be chichaks of the same type.
The only further updates I can add is that this type of helmet was called a shishak in Russian and a szyszak in Polish.
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