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Tue 11 Oct, 2022 4:41 am

Earliest Frog-faced helm date

This is from a MS (http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/de/list/one/zbz/Ms-Rh-hist0033b) dated 1420-1440. The style of helmet shown here appears twice in it. I'm thinking that might allow a somewhat more precise dating (at least tentatively). What's the earliest other image of a similar helm?

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Anthony Clipsom

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Tue 11 Oct, 2022 7:13 am

A quick check on Armour in Art produced this fresco dated 1390-95 from Runkelstein Castle in Italy

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In Manuscript miniatures, there are earlier ones but I'm not convinced they aren't great helms. The earliest classic frogmouth seems to be from ONB Cod. Vindobonensis 2762 Wenzel Bible dated 1389.

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There are, however, 134 images tagged "frogmouth" so I may have missed something earlier.

Obviously, there are other sources out there, so earlier evidence is quite possible - I've just done a quick search in one source.

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Clifford Rogers

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Wed 12 Oct, 2022 4:29 am

Thanks

Anthony Clipsom wrote:

A quick check on Armour in Art produced

Thanks, I didn't know that resource.

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Posts: 342 Location: YORKSHIRE, UK

Thu 13 Oct, 2022 12:43 am

Re: Thanks

Clifford Rogers wrote:

Anthony Clipsom wrote:

A quick check on Armour in Art produced

Thanks, I didn't know that resource.

I find it very useful. The tagging system is a bit erratic but the date search is very handy.

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