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Thu 07 Dec, 2017 6:02 am

HEMA/BOTN: S hilt guards in the 15th century

I'm looking to get/make a hilt for a sword suitable for half swording in groups that ban such due to the guards tip diameter. I know there are several swords with similar hilts in the 16th century but are there any surviving examples from ~1430-1470 with an S hilt guard?

The minimal risk of sending the crossguard through an ocular is what I'm trying to avoid.

I'd be mating it to a scent stopper or fluted pommel depending on references.
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Bartek Strojek

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Posts: 497 Location: Poland

Thu 07 Dec, 2017 9:34 am

Hungarian swords/saber of later 15th century as probably what you're looking for.

http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/arms-armor...amp;page=3

https://pl.pinterest.com/pin/439663982353914251/

http://sword-site.com/thread/387/oakeshott-ty...arde-sword

Now, from what my minimal knowledge, those were indeed Hungarian in origin(?), so they spread is limited to Hungary, Croatia, Eastern Italy, perhaps other Balkans, and other areas naturally connected with it....

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Kristian Vrahlioti

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Posts: 14 Location: Bangor, North Wales

Fri 08 Dec, 2017 1:51 am

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Now, from what my minimal knowledge, those were indeed Hungarian in origin(?), so they spread is limited to Hungary, Croatia, Eastern Italy, perhaps other Balkans, and other areas naturally connected with it....

These kinds of swords were also used quite extensively within the Venetian republic https://myArmoury.com/feature_spot_schia.html however there are other options available to you if you don't like the square pommel and tightly wound S guards that these kinds of swords have.

I've seen a few examples of longswords and in particular estocs with S shaped guards that are less dramatic and more elegant looking. Your best example is probably the original piece that the Albion Cluny is based on, it's dated to the last half of the 15th century, there's also the Svante Nielson type guard which is very similar, along with a whole boatload of 14th-15th century estocs with a variety of S shaped guards.

So to answer your question yes, there are several surviving examples of swords with S shaped guards between 1430-1500 so it would be easily justifiable in terms of authenticity.

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