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Sat 28 Jan, 2017 2:29 pm

Really strange katana - maybe its somehow rare?

Hello!

Well, i've found a katana, and since im a big lover of all kind of smooth blades I just need to know, if this one isnt a rubbish!
Soo if You guys could tell me anything about it ? Maybe someone can translate these japanese signs

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Marek Konopacki

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Sat 28 Jan, 2017 2:42 pm

PS. I've just heard that the kanji's on the 4 photo means "guarantee for 5 years" :D
idk what to think

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David Cooper

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Posts: 113 Location: UK

Sat 28 Jan, 2017 2:57 pm

I'm afraid the translation is probably not far from the truth, in fact it may not last that long. It is a cheap Chinese fake. Pattern welded blade supposed to imitate Japanese tamahagane steel. Of very little value so don't plan on retiring on the proceeds just yet :cry: .

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Marek Konopacki

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Sat 28 Jan, 2017 3:00 pm

David Cooper wrote:

I'm afraid the translation is probably not far from the truth, in fact it may not last that long. It is a cheap Chinese fake. Pattern welded blade supposed to imitate Japanese tamahagane steel. Of very little value so don't plan on retiring on the proceeds just yet :cry: .

damnnn! I though so :(((

Hoped, that I will just find someone to encourage me :P

thank you, and have a good night!

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Eric S

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Posts: 805 Location: new orleans

Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:38 pm

David Cooper wrote:

I'm afraid the translation is probably not far from the truth, in fact it may not last that long. It is a cheap Chinese fake. Pattern welded blade supposed to imitate Japanese tamahagane steel. Of very little value so don't plan on retiring on the proceeds just yet :cry: .

You are right David, no traditionally made Japanese sword (nihonto) would ever have a blade that looks like this swords does.

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Paul Mullins

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Mon 30 Jan, 2017 3:13 am

Use the blade to make an interesting hanger or cutlass.

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Bruno Giordan

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Mon 30 Jan, 2017 3:58 am

Marek Konopacki wrote:

David Cooper wrote:

I'm afraid the translation is probably not far from the truth, in fact it may not last that long. It is a cheap Chinese fake. Pattern welded blade supposed to imitate Japanese tamahagane steel. Of very little value so don't plan on retiring on the proceeds just yet :cry: .

damnnn! I though so :(((

Hoped, that I will just find someone to encourage me :P

thank you, and have a good night!

It is a blade of unknown origin, surely made with low level materials and likely not heat treated or, worst, badly heat treated.

I remember trying to reforge a eastern euro low level wall hanger, when put into the hot coals it started smoking and smelling bad.

Coal was regular .. it was a strange alloy so we trashed the entire thing.

I would use it as a wall hanger, appropriately dulled ...

Btw I do not know ow fake etched damascus looks like but these are not pattern welded layers, there is no pattern but a very irregular scattering that doesn't come from very creative layer stacking and arranging.

be careful

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Mark Moore

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Mon 30 Jan, 2017 6:15 am

I'm no expert on steel, but that entire blade looks like it shows lines of delamination. Pretty nice looking overall package, but I wouldn't use it to cut a marshmallow. Shine it up and hang it. ;) ....McM

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Mark Moore

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Mon 30 Jan, 2017 6:23 am

I'm no expert on steel, but that entire blade looks like it shows lines of delamination. Pretty nice looking overall package, but I wouldn't use it to cut a marshmallow. Shine it up and hang it. ;) ....McM

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Bruno Giordan

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Tue 31 Jan, 2017 3:18 am

Mark Moore wrote:

I'm no expert on steel, but that entire blade looks like it shows lines of delamination. Pretty nice looking overall package, but I wouldn't use it to cut a marshmallow. Shine it up and hang it. ;) ....McM

If it is real pattern welding amde with scrap metal than it should be possibly useable since it shouldn't crack open, if he really wants to use it he could sand an area and then etch it with vinegar or the proper nitric acid solution in order to verify the existence of a pattern welded structure.

At that point a friendly smith might try to do a new passable heat treatment with some proper testing (previous reshaping of the point and geometry).

Not worth investing any money but if he finds a friendly smith working for fun it might work as a week end project.

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Mark Moore

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Tue 31 Jan, 2017 5:28 am

(Sorry for the double post!) True, worth a shot. I would be more inclined to find a bare blade and do a rebuild. :) ...McM

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Edward Lee

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Tue 31 Jan, 2017 8:17 pm

This sword is a fake, because first of all I've seen something like that in Beijing China back in 2009. The store clerk had to close the door in order to show me some blades because Beijing had all sharp objects banned for Olympic a year before. There were several antique eating knives and there was this sword, exact same thing without the names.

Secondly, one side of the blade has the name 石井太郎(Ishii Taro) as the maker. The other side is 正光五年(Zheng guang) the date of when the sword was made. Now 正光 was a Chinese regnal year for Emperor Xiaoming of Northern Wei from 520 AD to 525 AD, hence the name 五年 or five years.

Hope this helps.

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