Does anybody have any good sources on arquebuses in the early 16th century? Is there information on the German exportation of firearms of this period?
| Isaac D Rainey wrote: |
| Does anybody have any good sources on arquebuses in the early 16th century? Is there information on the German exportation of firearms of this period? |
It was the Portuguese that introduced the matchlock to Japan and other south Asia countries. How they were made is a very interesting story. When the Portuguese captured Goa India in 1510 they acquired the gun works and smiths that were producing firearms for their enemies. This type of gun with a European type snap matchlock mechanism were quite different than the matchlocks used in India, Persia and the Ottoman empire.
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| Rare Portuguese (Goa, India) Snap Matchlock Gun, ca. 1560, Dresden Museum (Rüstkammer), presented to the Saxon Elector Christian I. by Francesco I. de Medici, Grand Duke of Toscana, in 1587. Overall length 164.2 cm, barrel 136.3 cm, bore 13.8 mm, weight 6,320 g. In decor, techniques of painting and materials mingle Portuguese, Muslim-Indian and Japanese influences. |
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Thanks for the information Eric, that is interesting. I should have been more clear, what I need is sources from or a few years before 1503. It would be nice if it was something I could cite.
| Isaac D Rainey wrote: |
| Thanks for the information Eric, that is interesting. I should have been more clear, what I need is sources from or a few years before 1503. It would be nice if it was something I could cite. |
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What an interesting extract, Eric. May I ask where it is from, please?
| Isaac D Rainey wrote: |
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What an interesting extract, Eric. May I ask where it is from, please?
| James A D wrote: |
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What an interesting extract, Eric. May I ask where it is from, please? |
Certainly James.
The Defences of Macau: Forts, Ships and Weapons over 450 years. By Richard J. Garrett, 2010
https://books.google.com/books?id=24Wxr5vL1YcC&pg=PA176&dq=Portuguese+arquebuses&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjG8MbBsdnLAhVBkIMKHZwUA7sQ6AEIMzAE#v=onepage&q=Portuguese%20arquebuses&f=false
Another book with some info on this subject and time period is "Firearms of the Islamic World: In the Tared Rajab Museum, Kuwait", Robert Elgood, 1995
| Eric S wrote: | ||
https://books.google.com/books?id=24Wxr5vL1YcC&pg=PA176&dq=Portuguese+arquebuses&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjG8MbBsdnLAhVBkIMKHZwUA7sQ6AEIMzAE#v=onepage&q=Portuguese%20arquebuses&f=false Another book with some info on this subject and time period is "Firearms of the Islamic World: In the Tared Rajab Museum, Kuwait", Robert Elgood, 1995 |
Thanks for these recommendations, Eric.
I find the statement that the Portuguese did not have arquebuses at all by 1502 to be dubious.
That statement was merely for those specific Portugese on those specific ships, not the Portuguese as a whole.
Arquebuses were spread across Europe by the late 15th century, in Italy and Hungary they were already in mass usage on the field by the 1470s-80s.
As far as Portugal, hand-held guns [tiros de fogo] and espingarieros ['riflemen'] appear for the first time in Morocco with King Duarte’s expedition against Tangiers in 1437.
As the Portuguese Tapecarias da Tomada de Arzila from 1471 also show various firearms, among them a couple of arquebuses.
That statement was merely for those specific Portugese on those specific ships, not the Portuguese as a whole.
Arquebuses were spread across Europe by the late 15th century, in Italy and Hungary they were already in mass usage on the field by the 1470s-80s.
As far as Portugal, hand-held guns [tiros de fogo] and espingarieros ['riflemen'] appear for the first time in Morocco with King Duarte’s expedition against Tangiers in 1437.
As the Portuguese Tapecarias da Tomada de Arzila from 1471 also show various firearms, among them a couple of arquebuses.
Interestingly enough, they recently found one Vasco da Gama's ships and recovered a few arquebus barrels, which are believed to be German.
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https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/10390993_10153583939523299_1581306812753889561_n.jpg?oh=40baf8ae9f6e0ad7ccf01ebef01e2a5e&oe=57912613
| Mario M. wrote: |
| I find the statement that the Portuguese did not have arquebuses at all by 1502 to be dubious.
That statement was merely for those specific Portugese on those specific ships, not the Portuguese as a whole. Arquebuses were spread across Europe by the late 15th century, in Italy and Hungary they were already in mass usage on the field by the 1470s-80s. As far as Portugal, hand-held guns [tiros de fogo] and espingarieros ['riflemen'] appear for the first time in Morocco with King Duarte’s expedition against Tangiers in 1437. As the Portuguese Tapecarias da Tomada de Arzila from 1471 also show various firearms, among them a couple of arquebuses. |
Mario, can you post any references for this information.
| Isaac D Rainey wrote: |
| Interestingly enough, they recently found one Vasco da Gama's ships and recovered a few arquebus barrels, which are believed to be German.
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/10390993_10153583939523299_1581306812753889561_n.jpg?oh=40baf8ae9f6e0ad7ccf01ebef01e2a5e&oe=57912613 |
Issac, is there a link to this information. What I have read does not show with any certainty that this was actually one of his ships, just some circumstantial evidence. (based on artifacts that include a Portuguese coin minted for trade with India, one of only two coins of this type known to exist, and stone cannonballs engraved with what appear to be the initials of Vincente Sodré, da Gama's maternal uncle and the commander of the Esmeralda.)
| Eric S wrote: |
| Mario, can you post any references for this information. |
I read this piece some time ago, it has listed sources beneath the text;
http://www.warfare.altervista.org/15/Morocco_By_Cook.htm
The main topic is Morocco, but with it, the information about the Portuguese is also presented.
About the 1471 depiction, here a cut out from the tapestry;
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They are at the very bottom.
| Mario M. wrote: | ||
I read this piece some time ago, it has listed sources beneath the text; http://www.warfare.altervista.org/15/Morocco_By_Cook.htm The main topic is Morocco, but with it, the information about the Portuguese is also presented. About the 1471 depiction, here a cut out from the tapestry; [ Linked Image ] They are at the very bottom. |
| Isaac D Rainey wrote: |
| Here is the expeditions website.
http://esmeraldashipwreck.com/ |
Thanks for the info!!
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