flexibility of front and back plate armor?
I have just got a new front German Gothic plate armor, and I am very surprised of how flexible the front plate is! Each plate from the Gothic armor can move a bit due to the rivets and the oval shaped holes that are in the bottom plate that is over lapped. Is it historically accurate? Either way I love this armor! It is the best one I have!

Thanks!

I can see how a man in plate armor can still shoot a bow on a horse while moving.



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My new new front German Gothic plate armor. 1.2 mm of high carbon harden Steel
Do you mean the faulds? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulds_%28armour%29

Yes, it's historically accurate. See here for examples: http://myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=214...ght=extant
I believe so.

The faulds tend to start quite near to the navel which means only your upper chest can't move. However since that space is filled with a rib cage you won't do much flexing there anyway.
Craig Peters wrote:
Do you mean the faulds? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulds_%28armour%29

Yes, it's historically accurate. See here for examples: http://myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=214...ght=extant


Well not just the faulds, almost each plate that you see in that armor that is connected can move a bit. Yes and the faulds are very flexible! I think the most flexible parts of the armor.

Pieter B. wrote:
I believe so.

The faulds tend to start quite near to the navel which means only your upper chest can't move. However since that space is filled with a rib cage you won't do much flexing there anyway.


Yea that is what I mean everything moves on the armor, I think even the upper chest can move a little. Each plate in it can move around but just a little a bit, the faulds moves the most. The way it can move "around" is placing the slight skinny oval shaped holes of the rivet a bit sideways or in a slight angle. This armor is amazing!






I will have a real pitcher of the inside of my plate soon so I can show you what I am talking about.


Let me show a crappy picture I made for everyone to get a better idea what I am trying to say.


This is the in side look at the upper part of the German Gothic plate armor of what I have. (the link below) Is it historically accurate?


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Google up "sliding rivets." It's a perfectly normal feature in 15th-century armour. Your breastplate might have more of them than what would have been typical for its time, but not to the extent of being unrealistic or ahistorical.
Lafayette C Curtis wrote:
Google up "sliding rivets." It's a perfectly normal feature in 15th-century armour. Your breastplate might have more of them than what would have been typical for its time, but not to the extent of being unrealistic or ahistorical.


Thanks! That is what I was looking for, if it is a fact and as well as the name or term of it. I will start to look it up..
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Here is what I been talking about.


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Interesting, who made it?
Sorry, Gerald, I have never seen a real 'gothic' breasplate, even Italian export piecs, that had such a sliding rivet arrangement. Check Goll's thesis and you will see a lot of insides of 'gothic' breastplates.
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or painted with red oxide inside for that matter. Bit of a modern armorers quirk.
The famed sigismund of tyrol armor does show rivets on the outside (like this reproduction). Can anyone confirm they are stationary non-sliding rivets?

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I just wanted to relate that I think this topic is stellar, gentlemen. I feel I'm learning much about armor and articulation.
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I can see how a man in plate armor can still shoot a bow on a horse while moving.


Its kind of doable, but in pretty unique circumstances. Its not something that's considered normal practice outside manuscripts and you'd be delivering a small % of what the bows power was due to your stance on the horse.
Pieter B. wrote:
The famed sigismund of tyrol armor does show rivets on the outside (like this reproduction). Can anyone confirm they are stationary non-sliding rivets?

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It is hard to know unless
A. some one moves around in it.
B. If you look in the inside of the armor as the overlapping plates can cover anything.

I love the Gothic look. But now I been looking at some of the Greenwich stuff.
Gerald

That's a really nice breastplate, who made it though?

Thanks
I can confirm that there are no sliders in the breastplate proper, only in the fauld. :cool:
I'll assume by breastplate proper you are excluding the underarm gussets James. Do you know if they slide? I presume so, but not wishing to trawl through Goll....
The gussets do not slide, either. There are gussets that simply pivot on the end rivets, and the springyness of the steel is what makes them resume their place.
Edward Lee wrote:
Gerald

That's a really nice breastplate, who made it though?

Thanks


Oh no, My armor is the one from the very top, it is heavily based on this one, in fact it is the same but with out the bras and not very polished.
Gerald Fa. wrote:
Edward Lee wrote:
Gerald

That's a really nice breastplate, who made it though?

Thanks


Oh no, My armor is the one from the very top, it is heavily based on this one, in fact it is the same but with out the bras and not very polished.


That is the one I meant. It looks really nice, would like to know who made it though, thanks.

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