Friends,
Below are the helmet, costume, and sword for my Aztec knight kit. I've taken some notes on the subject here:
http://ForensicFashion.com/1487AztecWarrior.html
http://ForensicFashion.com/1487AztecWarriorCostume.html
I plan to try it out at our local Renaissance Faire this coming weekend -- should make for an interesting contrast.
I'm sure it's historically correct and it surely looks great, but I can't fight the thought that some people might confound you with a Power Ranger. Please tell us what the people there say to you.....
Cheers.
Cheers.
Great looking costume Ruel. I´ll bet you are going to turn some heads and be bombarded with questions at the Faire !! All you need to add now is a shield, some sandals of the Aztec style, a nose plug (yacameztli) and ear spools and I´ll bet even Bernal Diaz del Castillo would have some concern as to whether you are for real. A costume replicating one of the Knights of the Military Orders - the Eagle, the Jaguar, or the Arrow - would have been neat too.
Hey that looks awesome! The colors and design are great. I think the helmet it really well done. How did you go about making it?
No padded armour? From the few spanish accounts I have seen/heard of it seems that is one of the things that comes up quite often because they are so useful. It seems like that was almost one of their trade marks. Are you planning on making one? How about a shield?
That sword does look awesome as a stand alone though! I do not suspect you have tried it out? I can imagine the weight behind razor sharp obsidian would be terrific.
A very under represented group and you have brought out some nice information and recreated some beautiful pieces. Some info in the book you cited might need some updating. London's population around 1325 was likely near three times what it claims. It was not until after the black death that it drops to about 40,000-60,000 (not altogether just death but people fleeing the city as well). You can check out one of M. Postan's medieval population articles for some more solid numbers, though many modern academics see his numbers now as a bit low. Something else to consider is that current thought is that Black Death killed far fewer people than has been estimated in the past (maybe 10-15% according to an article in the Oxford Med. Encyclpd.) further complicating things....
Regardless your kit looks great and thanks for sharing it. Looks like a great deal of time and work went into this and it shows!
RPM
No padded armour? From the few spanish accounts I have seen/heard of it seems that is one of the things that comes up quite often because they are so useful. It seems like that was almost one of their trade marks. Are you planning on making one? How about a shield?
That sword does look awesome as a stand alone though! I do not suspect you have tried it out? I can imagine the weight behind razor sharp obsidian would be terrific.
A very under represented group and you have brought out some nice information and recreated some beautiful pieces. Some info in the book you cited might need some updating. London's population around 1325 was likely near three times what it claims. It was not until after the black death that it drops to about 40,000-60,000 (not altogether just death but people fleeing the city as well). You can check out one of M. Postan's medieval population articles for some more solid numbers, though many modern academics see his numbers now as a bit low. Something else to consider is that current thought is that Black Death killed far fewer people than has been estimated in the past (maybe 10-15% according to an article in the Oxford Med. Encyclpd.) further complicating things....
Regardless your kit looks great and thanks for sharing it. Looks like a great deal of time and work went into this and it shows!
RPM
Great looking costume and certainly a very original idea!
I think some feather adornments would be an interesting addition, and it would discourage "power ranger" comments...
It seems the macuahuitl has a metallic pommel? Is this representative of originals?
Regards,
I think some feather adornments would be an interesting addition, and it would discourage "power ranger" comments...
It seems the macuahuitl has a metallic pommel? Is this representative of originals?
Regards,
Wonderful kit! It's so nice seeing something this original. I hope a feather cloak and padded armour is in the future, too.... ;)
Isn't that dye too modern? I don't think they would've had any comparably pure hue of blue besides griding down Lapis. :(
But then again, you've got to work within moral constraints...nobody's gonna let you slaughter the number of birds required to create one piece of amerindian feather clothing
[ Linked Image ]
though they do look stunning.
But then again, you've got to work within moral constraints...nobody's gonna let you slaughter the number of birds required to create one piece of amerindian feather clothing
[ Linked Image ]
though they do look stunning.
Wow, you never see that every day.... (blue jaguar knight)
Very original - that's a great wake up call for those many of us who are very European-centric in our historical thinking.
Verry nice!
May I ask what warrior lodge the costume represents. I am familar with the Eagle Knights, Jaguar Knights and the Red Arrows, but not the uniform that you show.
May I ask what warrior lodge the costume represents. I am familar with the Eagle Knights, Jaguar Knights and the Red Arrows, but not the uniform that you show.
Friends,
Thanks so much for the helpful feedback. Let me try my best to answer your questions and comments.
* COSTUME:
The head represents Tlahuiztli, a Mexican demon figure, though the exact nature of this demon is reported differently among different writers. One Spanish-language source (quoted here) says it's a feminine spirit from the underworld -- possibly like how Roman auxiliary cavalry wore feminine Amazon helmets for the hyppika gymnasia. It goes on to say that one of these was worn by the Aztec commander at the Battle of Otumba.
At any rate, my initial impression was the same as that of many of you --the color scheme is very similar to Nacho Libre's costume! But it is based closely on several examples from the Tribute Roll of the Codex Mendoza, such as this:
[ Linked Image ]
I unfortunately can't take any credit for making the costume; I simply got in touch with a source from Mexico that was making them. The same folks also make the padded armor 'ichcahuipilli' and shield to which some of you referred; I'll be adding them later on. And certainly, sandals, feathers and other accessories will be added as soon as I can. One ornament I do have, slightly inauthentic but too stylish to pass up, is this faux coral/turquoise skull necklace:
* SWORD:
I can't take any credit for the sword either; it's something I found on Ebay that's holding me over until I have an accurate, obsidian-bladed one built. It was apparently someone's experimental project, and is a flat slab of steel notched to make the edges look like obsidian inserts. This metal is sandwiched between two thick slabs of wood, and the whole is held together with screws (under the leather wrap). The pommel is of course un-historical, but not overly distracting from afar.
If I were as talented in craftwork as many of you are, I'd replace the wood with thinner slabs and remove the wrap & pommel, which would lighten it considerably. As is, it's a beastly 43in. and 7lbs.
* POPULATION:
Randall, thanks for that information -- I'll track it down and insert the appropriate annotation. Since that quote was from 1981, it's not surprising that new figures for London's population have been revised.
PS:
Werner, that cape appears to be a Hawaiian ahu'ulu, not Native American but no less ecologically destructive:
http://forensicfashion.com/1795HawaiianChiefCape.html
Thanks so much for the helpful feedback. Let me try my best to answer your questions and comments.
* COSTUME:
The head represents Tlahuiztli, a Mexican demon figure, though the exact nature of this demon is reported differently among different writers. One Spanish-language source (quoted here) says it's a feminine spirit from the underworld -- possibly like how Roman auxiliary cavalry wore feminine Amazon helmets for the hyppika gymnasia. It goes on to say that one of these was worn by the Aztec commander at the Battle of Otumba.
At any rate, my initial impression was the same as that of many of you --the color scheme is very similar to Nacho Libre's costume! But it is based closely on several examples from the Tribute Roll of the Codex Mendoza, such as this:
[ Linked Image ]
I unfortunately can't take any credit for making the costume; I simply got in touch with a source from Mexico that was making them. The same folks also make the padded armor 'ichcahuipilli' and shield to which some of you referred; I'll be adding them later on. And certainly, sandals, feathers and other accessories will be added as soon as I can. One ornament I do have, slightly inauthentic but too stylish to pass up, is this faux coral/turquoise skull necklace:
* SWORD:
I can't take any credit for the sword either; it's something I found on Ebay that's holding me over until I have an accurate, obsidian-bladed one built. It was apparently someone's experimental project, and is a flat slab of steel notched to make the edges look like obsidian inserts. This metal is sandwiched between two thick slabs of wood, and the whole is held together with screws (under the leather wrap). The pommel is of course un-historical, but not overly distracting from afar.
If I were as talented in craftwork as many of you are, I'd replace the wood with thinner slabs and remove the wrap & pommel, which would lighten it considerably. As is, it's a beastly 43in. and 7lbs.
* POPULATION:
Randall, thanks for that information -- I'll track it down and insert the appropriate annotation. Since that quote was from 1981, it's not surprising that new figures for London's population have been revised.
PS:
Werner, that cape appears to be a Hawaiian ahu'ulu, not Native American but no less ecologically destructive:
http://forensicfashion.com/1795HawaiianChiefCape.html
Ruel A. Macaraeg wrote: |
Friends,
Werner, that cape appears to be a Hawaiian ahu'ulu, not Native American but no less ecologically destructive |
What's so destructive about it? The link you posted says that birds were captured, a few feathers plucked and then released again.
Ruel A. Macaraeg wrote: |
PS: Werner, that cape appears to be a Hawaiian ahu'ulu, not Native American but no less ecologically destructive: http://forensicfashion.com/1795HawaiianChiefCape.html |
Awesome, Ruel... Really cool.
Sander,
Ah, you're right -- I do have other sources which contradict that quote (ie., claiming that the birds were killed), but haven't typed them in yet. Incidentally, that's why I try to keep all my notes online: It's just too much for me to remember, or even to manage or access effectively any other way.
Werner,
I'm not aware of any surviving Aztec feather costumes either; none appear in the books I have and I haven't seen any in the museums I've visited in America or Spain. But now your picture has inspired me to make a Hawaiian costume next, especially since I already have the weapons for it...
Bennison,
Thanks. ;)
Ah, you're right -- I do have other sources which contradict that quote (ie., claiming that the birds were killed), but haven't typed them in yet. Incidentally, that's why I try to keep all my notes online: It's just too much for me to remember, or even to manage or access effectively any other way.
Werner,
I'm not aware of any surviving Aztec feather costumes either; none appear in the books I have and I haven't seen any in the museums I've visited in America or Spain. But now your picture has inspired me to make a Hawaiian costume next, especially since I already have the weapons for it...
Bennison,
Thanks. ;)
Friends,
Here are some photos of my Aztec costume from this past weekend. I must admit, I wasn't entirely happy with it, since some important elements were lacking: the quilted armor underneath, the large backpack with attached standard, feathers on the helmet, proper sandals, and a shield. And I need to re-tailor the collar too, for a better fit. There was some extra room around the torso, probably to accommodate the armor I didn't have; without it I looked almost pudgy which irritated me quite a bit.
I could never have pulled off such an unusual costume without my princess in tow. Though her off-the-shelf "Aztec maiden" outfit was not historically accurate, she wore it well and we made a good impression overall, despite my incomplete parts.
http://forensicfashion.com/1487AztecWarriorCo...0SFRF.html
[ Linked Image ]
[ Linked Image ]
The helmet seemed to fit her better than me! Reconstructions almost invariably show the full face showing through the mouth-opening, whereas the lower jaw covers my mouth when I wear it.
[ Linked Image ]
King Henry approved -- makes sense, since the Aztecs and English were both at odds with the Spanish Empire around that time:
[ Linked Image ]
The costume is a work in progress, so hopefully I'll make a better showing of it next time.
Here are some photos of my Aztec costume from this past weekend. I must admit, I wasn't entirely happy with it, since some important elements were lacking: the quilted armor underneath, the large backpack with attached standard, feathers on the helmet, proper sandals, and a shield. And I need to re-tailor the collar too, for a better fit. There was some extra room around the torso, probably to accommodate the armor I didn't have; without it I looked almost pudgy which irritated me quite a bit.
I could never have pulled off such an unusual costume without my princess in tow. Though her off-the-shelf "Aztec maiden" outfit was not historically accurate, she wore it well and we made a good impression overall, despite my incomplete parts.
http://forensicfashion.com/1487AztecWarriorCo...0SFRF.html
[ Linked Image ]
[ Linked Image ]
The helmet seemed to fit her better than me! Reconstructions almost invariably show the full face showing through the mouth-opening, whereas the lower jaw covers my mouth when I wear it.
[ Linked Image ]
King Henry approved -- makes sense, since the Aztecs and English were both at odds with the Spanish Empire around that time:
[ Linked Image ]
The costume is a work in progress, so hopefully I'll make a better showing of it next time.
Very interesting costume although the use of the words " INCOMPLETE PARTS " in the context of making a good impression and a young lady just screams for a really bad joke I don't have to actually make but just allude to. ;) :p :lol: :cool:
Oh, size of face opening/size of face as well as the suspension system might explain why it fits her face better than yours. ;) :?:
Oh, size of face opening/size of face as well as the suspension system might explain why it fits her face better than yours. ;) :?:
Salut Jean,
twisted minds think alike... I was wondering why Ruel alluded to an Aztec KNIGHT (sic ), but then came the bit about incomplete parts, so I guess ....the Knight time... is the right time...to be... with the one you love...( and so on).
twisted minds think alike... I was wondering why Ruel alluded to an Aztec KNIGHT (sic ), but then came the bit about incomplete parts, so I guess ....the Knight time... is the right time...to be... with the one you love...( and so on).
Indeed, such jokes were made all throughout the day! Mostly from jealousy, I like to think... :p
I think calling them "knights" is more helpful than "warriors" because it recognizes that they
(1) appear to have formed a distinct social stratum, and
(2) were more heavily armored than common soldiers, used heraldry, and practiced knightly rituals like single combat with sword & shield.
Here are some additional pictures which show the relative size of the sword -- for reference, I stand just short of 5'6". It's only about 42" long, but because it has distal widening ("proximal taper") it feels much heavier than comparable medieval swords.
[ Linked Image ]
[ Linked Image ]
I think calling them "knights" is more helpful than "warriors" because it recognizes that they
(1) appear to have formed a distinct social stratum, and
(2) were more heavily armored than common soldiers, used heraldry, and practiced knightly rituals like single combat with sword & shield.
Here are some additional pictures which show the relative size of the sword -- for reference, I stand just short of 5'6". It's only about 42" long, but because it has distal widening ("proximal taper") it feels much heavier than comparable medieval swords.
[ Linked Image ]
[ Linked Image ]
Do we have any information as to how the Aztecs referred to their own warrior class? Japanese had their Samourai class, so is anything known about how the Aztecs called their own ?
I understand the reference to western civilization's Knights, but the specificity of the cultural norms of each civilisation gets lost when we use one word to replace all others. Japanese knights? not quite....
Anyway, glad that you and your lady had fun at the fair.
Cheers,
JC
I understand the reference to western civilization's Knights, but the specificity of the cultural norms of each civilisation gets lost when we use one word to replace all others. Japanese knights? not quite....
Anyway, glad that you and your lady had fun at the fair.
Cheers,
JC
Page 1 of 3
You cannot post new topics in this forumYou cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
All contents © Copyright 2003-2006 myArmoury.com All rights reserved
Discussion forums powered by phpBB © The phpBB Group
Switch to the Full-featured Version of the forum
Discussion forums powered by phpBB © The phpBB Group
Switch to the Full-featured Version of the forum