Hello.
I'm not native english speaker, so, sorry for my english.
I have a firangi sword (india arm with european, usually belgian blade) and I can not identify origin of a blade.
it's flexible (!), straight, blade is 98 cm, whole thing is about 130 cm tip is not sharp, but blade looks "hard used", cross-section is a triangle shape, but on the last 20 cm its double-egged. at the beginning of the blade it has a 3 grooves, wit one going to the tip. may be it's a wallon sword? can somebody take a look on the attached pic, or send me a pic/link to good quality photo of wallon sword (especially a blade)
Thanks

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firangi

It sounds like some sort of backsword blade; but I cannot see any detail at all in the photos which have been posted. Do you have any other pictures of the blade?

I have a blade :) so I can make any pics, what part of it do you want to see?

Well, too bad. The sword in your picture doesn't seem to be a Walloon sword. Its hilt does resemble any Walloons that I know of--not closely, anyway. The disk pommel actually makes the Indian provenance of the hilt rather obvious. These threads have pictures that may help you get a better idea of what a "Walloon" sword is:

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...ht=walloon

http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...ht=walloon

well, tanks for links.
Indian provenance of a hilt is not what I'm asking about, i now it's indian, but hilt form (and seller info) is a FIRANGI - they used to use european blade for it, and I'm trying to find out what kind of european blade can it be. Unfortunately, most descriptions of wallon sword talks about it's hilt, and I need info about a blade. Pics of Your link shows that wallon was become narrower, and my one is straight nearly all it's length.
But seller agreed to take it back - there are remains of welders work inside a hilts basket

The name "Walloon Sword" defines the hilt type, not the blade type. Walloon swords were equipped with many types of blades.

Please help us by giving us a top-down undistorted photo of the blade so that we can see the actual shape of it and see how it is sized in proportion to the hilt.

'Walloon' is a description of a hilt form, not of a blade. So if the blade is European, then it could have been mounted with a walloon style hilt. But it could also be put with any hilt that is commonly associated with a long, straight cavalry sword blade. I don't think there is any way to determine an exact sword form that this blade would have belonged to, nor is it necessary. I think that the most that can be discovered about the blade is perhaps a country of origin, or at the very least that it is European.

Best,
Jonathan

Added: Posted at the same time as Nathan!

...'Walloon' is a description of a hilt form, not of a blade...

:cry:

I supposed that it's some type, like "broadsword", "rapier" or "sabre" ... :(
i'll try to make some pics today.

Jonathan, in your gallery "JGH Collection 6" on a photo DSCN0975.1

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/jgileshopkins/alb...75277639/4

the highest sword looks like the one I'm asking about.
What is it?
Thanks.

I think Khanda is wider and more massive, double edged and usually rhombus.
my one is one edged, triangle and flexible from the hilt to the tip.
It can be some other type of indian sword, (no one can count all ways they curwe any pice of metal they grabbed :) )
but most probabely it is a firnagi sword, and you are right, that means "european".

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Kerim,
The sword in the photo is an English basket-hilted dragoon sword from c.1740. Here is a thread about that sword with some better photos: http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...asket+hilt
Scroll down for more detailed pics and information. As I said in that thread, I believe that the blade is of German manufacture as it is stuck with what appears to be a king's head mark.

Jonathan

"Firangi"--a corruption of Portuguese--roughly means "white," "European," or "Western." It's a relatively common root among the people who had experienced extended contact with Portuguese colonists--Malaysians use the word "Peringgi" as a somewhat pejorative term for Westerners down to this day. However, I live in Indonesia--in Java, to be precise--and our former colonizers were Dutch so the colloquial Javanese term for Whites is "londo" from "Holland."

That one looks pretty much like my one!
next question - is that english dragon sword flexible?

when I say "flexible", I mean it's bending a little bit, but I'm not trying to brake it :) just a little try, 1-3 degree. just to see that it can bend.
another thing - something in copper color shows under metal (nearly unreal, I now) and it's not a rust.

BTW, I want to place a little note about yatagan, this weapon have an interesting story line, where to post it?

My one is elastic - up to 15 degree with out any problem, and you are right - I can bend up to 3-5 degrees other blades (yatagan, chespot bayonet, kyu gunto) but this "probabely dragon sword" is much more elastic than others

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