CASi's new Cromwell sword
http://casiberia.com/cas/product_details.asp?id=SH1049

For those interested......

As for me, I'm not sure. I've kinda stopped collecting, focusing on other hobbies for a while, but this one's interesting. Going to think about it some more.

Eljay, Mac, what are your thoughts on the accuracy of this piece? Not so much in terms of construction, because I realize that for this prize, corners must have been cut, but in terms of overall appereance, the blade, detailing.
Hi Thomas.

I like it a lot, i`m thinking of buying one :).
You'll probably have to wait since it says it's out of stock. :-)
I took some pictures of that thing back at the Bladeshow in June. I was wondering at the time, are the screws in the hilt accurate? :?:
Russ Ellis wrote:
I took some pictures of that thing back at the Bladeshow in June. I was wondering at the time, are the screws in the hilt accurate? :?:


Screws were certainly used. Whether these screws are accurate enough in form is another question. See here for morts with screws (there are more in the Albums, search for "mortuary"):

http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/1730.html
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/1293.html
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/1731.html
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/5669.html
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/6564.html
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/7376.html

And here's Cromwell's sword:
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/7626.html
Pitty that the pommels are so completely different. You'd think it would be easy enough to get the pommel right?? Could it be that there are some copyright issues? I doubt it, but still......
Yes, yes, and yes......have been waiting for this to come out for along time. Let's hope CASI doesn't drag
their feet on releasing this to retailers/vendors. As far as historical accuracy, for a production piece, the pics don't look
to bad, only time will tell upon closer inspection. Supposedly Eddie Floyd( with the help of the late E. Oakeshott) did the prototype for CASI years ago, they just never jumped on it. Don't know the full details behind the story, so don't take my total word for it. I'm interested in the scabbard as well, just to see what they come up with as a whole.

Armour Class' version is sweet looking, but a bit more as far as money and quality.

All the same, this CASI version of Cromwell's Drogheda sword has a spot reserved in my collection.

Will have to sacrifice another piece from my collection (with much regret......aahummm Nathan....you may keep an eye out for this). But sacrifices must be made for the greater good of my Mortuary collection.

(Didn't think I'd let this slip by without piping in...... :) )

Cheers,

Bill
The pommel and overall proportions bug me. Hilt seems oversized compared to blade. But then, I've not seen an OA view of the original. Cue the justified criticism of Mazansky's book, which fails to provide blade stats, views. Maybe it was the publisher/editor's decision, but what a monumental flaw....

The original CASI mort was more attractive, IMHO.
Sean Flynt wrote:
The pommel and overall proportions bug me. Hilt seems oversized compared to blade. But then, I've not seen an OA view of the original. Cue the justified criticism of Mazansky's book, which fails to provide blade stats, views. Maybe it was the publisher/editor's decision, but what a monumental flaw....

I dislike the pommel shape, which is not much like the original.

I agree the proportions look odd. My Treasures from the Tower of London catalog lists the following:

Weight - Original is 2lb 6oz, quite a bit lighter than CASi's stated 3lb 4oz
Blade length - Original is 31.9 inches, a little shorter than CASI's 32.75 inches
Overall length - Original is 38.2 inches, a lot shorter than CASI's whopping 43.5 inches!!

So, if these figures are correct, the CASI hilt is quite a bit larger than the original
Well, I took a look, and for a production piece it looks OK. Everyone's commnets about the size, pommel shape, weight, etc.. are correct. I tnink the reason for the hilt/pommel not looking quite right is that they have to cut some corners to speed production. Thus, the pommel shape they used is easier to capture than the subtle curves of the original. The guard is curved in only two dimensions, compared to the dished, boat-shaped appearance of the real McCoy. The grip isn't shaped right, either, but again, I think this is to aid production.

Hey Sean, I also wish Mazansly had blade info. But then again, he was working on a hilt typology. What I wish he had done more with is dating of the hilts shown. Most don't have dates, and there's a couple where tI think he dates are off.

Hey Thomas H., did you ever receive the Proto-Mort?

Just to pique the Mort-loving crowd's interest out there, I'm seriously thinking of prototyping a Mort as a future Atrim/EBE collaboration: sketches are done, details are being considered. But that's IF I can find the time to do it this year!

--ElJay
Chad Arnow wrote:

Screws were certainly used. Whether these screws are accurate enough in form is another question. See here for morts with screws (there are more in the Albums, search for "mortuary"):


Good to know! Thanks!
It's very, very point heavy. I held it at the blade show.
E.B. Erickson wrote:
Well, I took a look, and for a production piece it looks OK. Everyone's commnets about the size, pommel shape, weight, etc.. are correct. I tnink the reason for the hilt/pommel not looking quite right is that they have to cut some corners to speed production. Thus, the pommel shape they used is easier to capture than the subtle curves of the original....

Good point that I hadn't really thought about. I imagine that an accurately shaped pommel would make it much more difficult (and expensive) to consistently locate and drill the holes for those screws securing the ends of the guard.

E.B. Erickson wrote:
... Just to pique the Mort-loving crowd's interest out there, I'm seriously thinking of prototyping a Mort as a future Atrim/EBE collaboration: sketches are done, details are being considered. But that's IF I can find the time to do it this year!...

Please consider my interest piqued! I really look forward to seeing the result of your efforts.
Yes, Eddie did do the prototype.
William Goodwin wrote:
Supposedly Eddie Floyd( with the help of the late E. Oakeshott) did the prototype for CASI years ago, they just never jumped on it. Don't know the full details behind the story, so don't take my total word for it. I'm interested in the scabbard as well, just to see what they come up with as a whole.


Yes, Eddie did do the prototype for that sword and, it was for sale recently. He did the entire hilt by hand, as well.


Thank you.

Mike West
http://www.swordplayalliance.com/swordgallery/swo5.html
Oliver Cromwell's Mortuary Sword
This prototype is a copy of Oliver Cromwell's mortuary sword, which resides at the Tower of London. Eddie hand-copied the sword during his research trip to the Tower, at the request of the Tower's curators. This prototype features a ray skin handle, and was hand enameled and painted with 14 karat gold leaf. The prototype now belongs to CAS Iberia.
Another Cromwell attributed mortuary Cas should consider doing !
I luv the blade on this one :-)

Mac

* Photo: Fourteenth Park Lane Arms Fair, 1997.


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