Strange pommel
In looking through examples of icons, I came across a very strange pommel, one which appears a few times.

It is shaped like a three-leafed clover, and is similar to the type D except the lobes are much more even and round. What is even more peculiar is that there are at least two examples of this pommel in icons from the late 14th/early 15th century, and one from a 14th c. manuscript.

I was wondering if anyone had seen any actual examples of this pommel, of if it is one of those anomalies of Orthodox icons (Like the ubiquitous scale armour skirts). I was also wondering why this apparently antiquated style reappeared.

Any help is appreciated.

St. Demetrius of Thessalonika. Pskov. 15th C


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St. George with a type XVI or XII? and clover-pommel. Novgorod, late 14th c.

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Sword shown in a 14th c. Russian manuscript.

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St. Demetrius of Salonika. Kiev. Late 12th C (possibly earlier)
I'm sure you're aware of the "four-leaf clover" or floral type of pommel that Oakeshott calls The Type Q. This is similar in character to the first painting you show.
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This pommel is found in many examples dating circa 1280-1325, but I'm unaware of any surviving swords with it.

I, like you, am curious to know more of the "three-leaf" version.
Re: Strange pommel
Alexander Hinman wrote:
I was also wondering why this apparently antiquated style reappeared.


You mention a possible tie to an antiquated style and it brings this to mind.

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While the first painting you shown doesn't suggest this, the other two images show a slight similarity to an early sword pommel not found in Petersen's typology. It is found on swords said to relate to the 11th century horn-working craft on the territory of the early Polish Piast Monarchy and has been referred to being from "horn-hilted sword finds". These "horn-hilts" from Poland parallel in form to Petersen's Type T and so are often, perhaps more appropriately, called "Piast T-Types".

One example, shown below, is from Czersko Polskie, Bydgoszcz district.

This likely has absolutely no connection to the pommel in question, but shows a much earlier style that has possible characteristically similar elements in form.


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David McElrea posted this photo of a two handed claymore he shot at The British Museum, below the claymore is a dagger that features that clover styled pommel. Pic is from this thread here.

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Del Tin manufactures a sword with that particular pommel type (It was once carried by MLR many ages ago, if memory serves with a bronze pommel instead of the current mild steel one offered by Del Tin) model 5130 in their catalog.

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I fear that I've derailed this topic from the discussion of the "three-leaf clover" pommel on which Alexander seeks some information. My response with the Oakeshott Type Q "four-leaf" variant was to show a similarity only.
Actually Nathan, I'd like to thank you because once again I have learned something from you!

Sincerely,

Bob

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