Hello!

Do you know any armoureres who can make good brigandine for Xv century (especially from Europe)and have reasonable prices? I start to seek a nice piece to buy with any good effect. :blush:

http://www.whiteroseapparel.co.uk/ white rose. prob the best you'll find

Outfit 4 Events makes some that look pretty good.


http://www.outfit4events.com/index.php?main_p...Path=26_39

not if you want historical there not :(

Chuck,

Is there anybody out there that you are aware of other than White Rose?

A friend of mine, armoursmith and bladesmith makes nice brigandines : Yannick Epiard.

All plates are hand hammered and can be tinned. There is no lining like on all originals recorded. The White rose brigandines have a canvas lining which is not accurate. You can choose the outer fabric, linen, velvet, silk velvet.

However it is not cheap (around 1500 euros) and the waiting list is quite long.

You can see some exemples here (the first 3 is mine)

http://www.companie-of-st-george.ch/images/pi...tated.jpeg

http://www.companie-of-st-george.ch/images/pi...tated.jpeg

http://www.companie-of-st-george.ch/images/pi...tated.jpeg

http://amalricus.free.fr/HK%202006/DSCN2404.JPG

If you want I can give you his phone number and address. Sadly he doesn't have any e-mail.

Mathieu,

right :) lineing should not be there. but its more historical than 99% of the other stuff out there.

a friend of mine bought a brig a few years ago from a guy over seas. i cant remember his name though. but the guy said it prob be his last one. sigh.

theres not many people willing to make a historical brig. too much work and not enough money to make it worth it. there's a how to online:

http://www.eskimo.com/~cwn/brig_craig1.html
http://www.eskimo.com/~cwn/brigandines.html

Thanks guys!

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You can see some exemples here (the first 3 is mine) http://www.companie-of-st-george.ch/images/pi...tated.jpeg http://www.companie-of-st-george.ch/images/pi...tated.jpeg http://www.companie-of-st-george.ch/images/pi...tated.jpeg

I was wondering for a long time who is that man in red brigandine(I had those pictures and used as an example of piece I want :cool: So nice to meet you :) 1500euro is not cheap but can you give me a contact anyway?

Hi there

Steve Lunn (White Rose Apparel, http://www.whiteroseapparel.co.uk/brigpage.htm) can be contacted via steve@whiteroseapparel.fsnet.co.uk. he makes each brigandine to order so choose what you want and he will make it accordingly. Steve is very knowledgeble and really does know his stuff. Don't let the idea of a waiting list put you off, you may be suprised how quickly Steve will be able to help you out.

My understanding is that Brigandine for the C15th would typically be front closured and are unlined.

HTH
N.

So thare are examples of leather covered brigandines! Thanks for sharing that pics.(by the way-have you got a picture of that helmet used with that leather brigandine?It is kettle hat ,istn't it?)

If I am correct soldiers in the first picture have brigandines in interesting colours.

In the second there is a nice example of brigandine pauldron.Have you got pics of other brigandine parts of armour?(not only cuirass)

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Thought this topic might be an appropriate place for this link:

Chuck Davis at mallet-argent.com has a page with some pictures of the armour of Charles V. We all know the red bananna-sleeved jupon from Arms and Armour of the Medieval Knight, but these are pictures of what's underneath, including the brigandine.

Royal Armour at Chartres Cathedral

I have no association with Chuck or mallet-argent, I've never bought anything off him. He replied when I sent him an email about this page though and said that the left arm armour is a horrible "reproduction" put on by the museum, which is why it looks different to the rest.

I've been rereading Osprey's English Medieval Knight 1400-1500 and noticed an interesting brigandine configuration in the cover illustration. It's an archer who is wearing a plackart over his brigandine with mail underneath. Anyone have an idea of how common this brigandine/plackart combo was?

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Cover - The Chronicle of England by Jean de Waurin, late 15th century

Mark

There is debate if those are even brigandines or velvet covered breastplates. So the answer is no one has any real hard evidence other than speculation based on art, and art cannot really tell us how common an item is.

I'm not entirely sure I agree with the statement of artworks value as reference point for frequency. If an item is depicted commonly theres a reason for it. The brig/fabric covevered breast plate plackard combo for example, this is very common in 15th century military artwork, artwork done by a wide variety of people from many different parts of Europe. There is of course a remote possibility that this was just commisioned by everyone who ever had one of these painting done, or that everyone of these painters just decided to have lots of these in thier paintings or simply that the artists were painting what the knew. Third makes far and away the most sense to me. Did painters take liberties and embellish, sure , the frequency with which people are shown having thier helms cut in half, maille clad limbs cut clean off ect. in 13th century art is a topic much debated, but we're talking about equipment not actions. These 15th century paintings depict tons of open faced sallets for infantry as well as chapel de fers. I see no reason to assume that because they're in paintings very frequently they weren't used all that often. Just about every ones got a sword in these paintings , theres usually archers and crossbowmen, I think we can agree these things depicted in art of the period were not only present but pretty common so I wouldn't very comfortable dismissing something of this sort out of hand simply because its only in art.

Problem is Allan according to that art most folks fight with swords, few archers were on the field, and jacks were rarely used which via ordinances, inventories, muster rolls, and wills we know to be untrue. Art does not give us a proper perspective on commonality or scale unfortunately. Something can show up commonly in art that is rarely used on the feild of battle.