Today's update:
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Evaluating Historical Sword Specimens
An article by John Clements
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A Viking Age Sword from the Higgins Museum
An article by Alexi Goranov
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Lost and Found: A U.S. Model 1860 Light Cavalry Saber
An article by Sean Flynt
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Great update. Loads of interesting information in this one. Very good reading.
Thanks fellas,
Kenton
Thanks fellas,
Kenton
Brilliant
The article on the Cavalry saber was very interesting, and this comes from a guy who's actually not very interested in such weapons :)
Nice!
Great to have well documented original swords in an update.
Alexi, could you give any estimate as to how much corrosion had affected the weight of the viking sword? How much of the material seemed to be missing?
Thanks, and thanks for a nice update to all responsible.
Gordon
Great to have well documented original swords in an update.
Alexi, could you give any estimate as to how much corrosion had affected the weight of the viking sword? How much of the material seemed to be missing?
Thanks, and thanks for a nice update to all responsible.
Gordon
Thanks! This period is far outside my main period of interest, too (1500-1650), but I was very happy to add the saber to my collection. We should all have such generous relatives! Unfortunately, it now has me wanting a Confederate sword for balance (a decent repro for antiquing--authentic Confederate weapons are worth their weight in gold). My parents know a famous Alabama writer who has her Confederate ancestor's swords, uniforms, etc. stored in a box under a bed.:eek: I think that sort of thing is becoming very rare, though. People are realizing the value of these things. No more Leicas at garage sales, either.:(
Wolfgang Armbruster wrote: |
The article on the Cavalry saber was very interesting, and this comes from a guy who's actually not very interested in such weapons :) |
Nice change of pace all around.
Sean, thats a nice piece. My wife works part time for a elderly lady who bought one of these Mansfield & Lamb
sabers 20 years ago for $100 at an estate sale. She sent to me a bit back,to give her ID info. and est. value. and do a little conservation to.
It's a Manfield & Lamb - Forest, date stamped 1864, inspectors initials J.C.W.
She informed my wife about a month ago, that she had left this sword to her (my wife) in her will. Wow!
The stories behind such pieces is another reason my collecting tastes have turned lately to the vintage military swords.
Great stuff all around guys, Thanks!
Cheers,
Bill
Sean, thats a nice piece. My wife works part time for a elderly lady who bought one of these Mansfield & Lamb
sabers 20 years ago for $100 at an estate sale. She sent to me a bit back,to give her ID info. and est. value. and do a little conservation to.
It's a Manfield & Lamb - Forest, date stamped 1864, inspectors initials J.C.W.
She informed my wife about a month ago, that she had left this sword to her (my wife) in her will. Wow!
The stories behind such pieces is another reason my collecting tastes have turned lately to the vintage military swords.
Great stuff all around guys, Thanks!
Cheers,
Bill
Great articles all around this time. I particularly liked the article on the brazil nut as my favorites are late viking/early medieval swords. I really enjoyed seeing the sword from angles that aren't usually shown in books. Thanks to all 3 of the authors of these articles for some great reading and even better photos!
William Goodwin wrote: |
It's a Manfield & Lamb - Forest, date stamped 1864, inspectors initials J.C.W. |
Another M&L! Have you ever handled one of the inexpensive modern repro Model 1860s? I'm very curious to see how they compare to an original.
All around, a good update. I especially loved Sean's piece. That's quite a story. I'd put in a request to make "Lost and Found" a Spotlight series, but somehow I doubt we'd be able to get as many great stories as Sean's.
Matthew K. Shea wrote: |
All around, a good update. I especially loved Sean's piece. That's quite a story. I'd put in a request to make "Lost and Found" a Spotlight series, but somehow I doubt we'd be able to get as many great stories as Sean's. |
Thanks! We know these stories are out there...we just have to find them. So, anybody got an antique they want to share? It doesn't have to have an amazing personal story attached. I'd be interested in reading about the odd garage-sale find and the subsequent research that identifies it. That's Lost and Found, too!
Yes, Sean I have. And with most repros. of military swords,(heavy, bulky,unbalanced
chunks of metal) they don't even come close to originals
Handling vintage piece's like these can really spoil one's taste.
Bill
chunks of metal) they don't even come close to originals
Handling vintage piece's like these can really spoil one's taste.
Bill
William Goodwin wrote: |
Yes, Sean I have. And with most repros. of military swords,(heavy, bulky,unbalanced
chunks of metal) they don't even come close to originals Handling vintage piece's like these can really spoil one's taste. Bill |
Thanks, Bill. I figured this would be the case.
Very interesting articles:
John Clements:
The article on evaluating original swords should be very helpful if one gets the opportunity. I would compare this to meeting an admired famous person and being tongue-tied at the time and later thinking of all the questions one should have asked.
With a museum visit and the chance to handle originals having read this article should help not wasting the opportunity and also the ways an ancient, maybe fragile, sword should be handled for both safety and avoid the embarrassing disaster that damaging the blade would be. ( Not to mention making a repeat visit unlikely ! )
Alexi:
Also very interesting article and from the dimensions of this sword the original would resemble the Albion Gaddhjalt a great deal in blade shape but with a somewhat different guard.
Is it possible that there is a " typo " error on the dimensions of the tang ?
" Tang width at guard: a 3/16 inches " Maybe it should read 1 3/16" ??? At least visually if the grip is 3 3/4" long the width of the tang near the guard should be close to 1 3/16" ( Eyeballing it )
Sean:
Not my period of interest but a very well written piece.
John Clements:
The article on evaluating original swords should be very helpful if one gets the opportunity. I would compare this to meeting an admired famous person and being tongue-tied at the time and later thinking of all the questions one should have asked.
With a museum visit and the chance to handle originals having read this article should help not wasting the opportunity and also the ways an ancient, maybe fragile, sword should be handled for both safety and avoid the embarrassing disaster that damaging the blade would be. ( Not to mention making a repeat visit unlikely ! )
Alexi:
Also very interesting article and from the dimensions of this sword the original would resemble the Albion Gaddhjalt a great deal in blade shape but with a somewhat different guard.
Is it possible that there is a " typo " error on the dimensions of the tang ?
" Tang width at guard: a 3/16 inches " Maybe it should read 1 3/16" ??? At least visually if the grip is 3 3/4" long the width of the tang near the guard should be close to 1 3/16" ( Eyeballing it )
Sean:
Not my period of interest but a very well written piece.
Gordon Clark wrote: |
Nice!
Great to have well documented original swords in an update. Alexi, could you give any estimate as to how much corrosion had affected the weight of the viking sword? How much of the material seemed to be missing? Thanks, and thanks for a nice update to all responsible. Gordon |
It is hard to approximate exactly how much is missing, but the cross-guard and parts of the tang were affected the most. I would expect the sword to have been no more than 2.5lb when new (1lb 10oz currently). The sword would have still had its inlays, organic parts and whatever iron was corroded away.
Thanks about all the nice words! I am glad someone is reading these articles :)
Alexi
Jean Thibodeau wrote: |
Alexi: Also very interesting article and from the dimensions of this sword the original would resemble the Albion Gaddhjalt a great deal in blade shape but with a somewhat different guard. Is it possible that there is a " typo " error on the dimensions of the tang ? " Tang width at guard: a 3/16 inches " Maybe it should read 1 3/16" ??? At least visually if the grip is 3 3/4" long the width of the tang near the guard should be close to 1 3/16" ( Eyeballing it ) |
I think that it should read 1 3/16 inches but I will check that to make sure.
This sword resembles the Albion Gaddhjalt only in 2 dimensions. It is a different beast. It is much flatter sword in almost any sense. This is most obvious when looked at the pommel. The blade is also thinner (in part due to corrosion, but I think even when new it would have been thinner). It has a bit shorter and a bit broader blade, and is, as a said above, thinner. The Higgins sword would likely predate a sword with a NG Gaddhjalt-like pommel.
I own the Albion Gaddhjalt and expected to find a very similar sword my self. I was in for a surprise :) That is why I did not discuss the Albion Gaddhjalt in the article. They look alike but that is about it.
Alexi
Alexi;
I'm always somewhat amazed how thin the blades are on original swords: Must be because of my early 1980 's experience with 1/4" to 5/16" thick blades. And more importantly this thick without any distal taper: Mostly my fault as this is what I wanted at the time having a tendency to like railroad engineered thing. :p :lol:
But very interesting that what we might imagine being very similar swords based only on pictures are very different beasts when one can handle them in person. :eek: Good that at least we have you guys to do it for us and report on your impressions. :cool:
I'm always somewhat amazed how thin the blades are on original swords: Must be because of my early 1980 's experience with 1/4" to 5/16" thick blades. And more importantly this thick without any distal taper: Mostly my fault as this is what I wanted at the time having a tendency to like railroad engineered thing. :p :lol:
But very interesting that what we might imagine being very similar swords based only on pictures are very different beasts when one can handle them in person. :eek: Good that at least we have you guys to do it for us and report on your impressions. :cool:
Sean... may I just say... ROLL TIDE... (U of A Class of 97)
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