This is a saber meant to look like the swiss sabers from the early part of the 16th century. It was done using a LPM-1572 saber from Atrim. The hilt was done by Christian Fletcher. I have not yet received it, this photo was taken by Christian and sent along. I wanted to post it to see what everyone here thinks about it........I am extremely happy with the results and can't wait to receive it!
Hilt
Wow, Tim, that is really nice! I think that may be one of my favorite ATrim/Fletcher combos to date. Christian really captured the hilt style very nicely!
On my!!! That hilt is the best thing I've ever seen from Christian Fletcher!
I'm highly impressed and quite jealous that it's not owned by myself. I'm not crazy about the blade, as it seems mismatched to that hilt. But overall, the package is quite nice and the hilt more than makes up for my personal opinion on the blade's attributes. I still wish I owned it.
Very nice. Very, very nice.
I'm highly impressed and quite jealous that it's not owned by myself. I'm not crazy about the blade, as it seems mismatched to that hilt. But overall, the package is quite nice and the hilt more than makes up for my personal opinion on the blade's attributes. I still wish I owned it.
Very nice. Very, very nice.
I love how the bars of the guard look like they are almost disconnected. But if my eyes aren't playing tricks on me, or my brain isn't inventing things for the sake of generating conversation, it looks as if they were actually carved that way out of continuous metal. I am reminded of twisted branch type pommels that are apparently carved that way, and not actually twisted from multiple bars...
Anyway, I definitely like the overall effect. Very distinctive. :)
Anyway, I definitely like the overall effect. Very distinctive. :)
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| Nathan Robinson wrote: |
| On my!!! That hilt is the best thing I've ever seen from Christian Fletcher!
I'm highly impressed and quite jealous that it's not owned by myself. I'm not crazy about the blade, as it seems mismatched to that hilt. But overall, the package is quite nice and the hilt more than makes up for my personal opinion on the blade's attributes. I still wish I owned it. Very nice. Very, very nice. |
Nathan-
Yeah, the blade is not %100 perfect for this hilt, but the quality of the hilt does make up for any discrepency! I think Christian's ability really shows with this.
-Tim
Absolutely, Tim! It looks great. He really did a lot to grab the authentic look of such hilts. Did he stop short of creating the rear guards? These hilts almost always have rear guards and a thumb-ring. Did he only do a half-hilt?
Nathan-
I honestly don't know. All I've seen are the pictures I've posted and a few in progress shots. I'll be sure to post some more pics when I get it!
-Tim
I honestly don't know. All I've seen are the pictures I've posted and a few in progress shots. I'll be sure to post some more pics when I get it!
-Tim
Looks like a half hilt from the way the sword is laying against the backdrop, but that's just speculation. I really should just wait for Tim to get it and say what it is himself. :)
Wow that`s absolutely beautiful, wish i had the money. Congrats.
Very nice! As noted above by Nathan I'm not crazy about the blade but Christian is one darned fine cutler (amongst other things) no doubt about it.
Oh wow!
Imagine that hilt with the Knecht's blade!
Imagine that hilt with the Knecht's blade!
Oh, wow. Just... wow. That's absolutely beautiful.
As for that hilt on a Knecht-style messer, that would be serious wow material, too! But Mr. Fletcher would have to cut the tang a bit to make it narrow enough for that kind of hilt. Still, the thought is drool-worthy. But I think the sword is pretty drool-worthy as it is.
Gorgeous sword, Tim. Congratulations!
As for that hilt on a Knecht-style messer, that would be serious wow material, too! But Mr. Fletcher would have to cut the tang a bit to make it narrow enough for that kind of hilt. Still, the thought is drool-worthy. But I think the sword is pretty drool-worthy as it is.
Gorgeous sword, Tim. Congratulations!
| Tim Lison wrote: | ||
Nathan- Yeah, the blade is not %100 perfect for this hilt, but the quality of the hilt does make up for any discrepency! I think Christian's ability really shows with this. -Tim |
Hi Tim
Well, even if the blade doesn't match the hilt perfectly, I'm glad you like the overall effect. Its not surprising the blade doesn't match the hilt, after all, it really wasn't designed for it....... {but I think you'll like the handling}.
Saying that, I've got two more saber blades I'd like to introduce this year, and wouldn't mind feedback on the aesthetic features folks would like to see, maybe with projects like this in mind. CF has a few more on order, which kinda surprised both of us....... so a blade or two for the custom hilt crowd {ala what CF does} might be a good idea.....
I would actually like aesthetic ideas, as my vision for this stuff isn't really "there".... my feel for the handling, and for the performance is there, but I just do not have the eye.....
Thanks
Marvelous looking saber, Tim !!! Just marvelous. I've a custom saber project in the works
myself, and at first saught out Christian Fletcher with the idea of using one of Angus Trim's
saber blades. And the very same issue rose with my idea -- the blade matching the hilt ...
One might think, unless you're really familiar with a saber's design and some of the history
behind the saber's evolution, " what's the difference ? put a handle on the dang thing, make
sure its tight, and voila ! "
But while I'm nowhere near fluent in the mechanics involved, the position of the tang as
it relates to the flow of the blade, the nature of the hilt structure, the grip ... Important factors
all !
Really glad your Saber has seen the light of ... well, CF's cameras ! hehe ... Congratulations !
myself, and at first saught out Christian Fletcher with the idea of using one of Angus Trim's
saber blades. And the very same issue rose with my idea -- the blade matching the hilt ...
One might think, unless you're really familiar with a saber's design and some of the history
behind the saber's evolution, " what's the difference ? put a handle on the dang thing, make
sure its tight, and voila ! "
But while I'm nowhere near fluent in the mechanics involved, the position of the tang as
it relates to the flow of the blade, the nature of the hilt structure, the grip ... Important factors
all !
Really glad your Saber has seen the light of ... well, CF's cameras ! hehe ... Congratulations !
Nathan, do you have any additional links to information and/or photos of these hilts? I've got a small stack of reference photos I dredged up while working on this commission, but none of them reveal anything about the reverse side of the hilt. Several of them I'm pretty sure have half-baskets, and some of them just barely hint at what could be additional guardwork or could just be shadows.
| Christian Fletcher wrote: |
| Nathan, do you have any additional links to information and/or photos of these hilts? I've got a small stack of reference photos I dredged up while working on this commission, but none of them reveal anything about the reverse side of the hilt. Several of them I'm pretty sure have half-baskets, and some of them just barely hint at what could be additional guardwork or could just be shadows. |
Many of the references I have are private photographs that can't really be shared. I'm sure there are some published things out there, though.
For now, let me say that I'd expect to see a rear side-ring, minimum, and generally a swept bar attaching to the finger-ring. More often, a thumb-ring is also present, creating such a configuration as This or This or This. While I don't know for sure, I'd suspect a half-basket to be quite uncommon.
You can see on this example an indication of a rear guard: likely fairly complex. This example shows another such configuration, this one not appearing to have a thumb-ring but just a swept bar or side ring (hard to tell). This example appears to me to show a side ring, thumb-ring, and swept bar. This example has a large rear side-ring and what appears to be a thumb-ring. It's hard for me to figure out what is going on with this example, but it's obviously got rear-guards that seem to include a side-ring, thumb-ring, and at least one crazy swept bar that attaches to the knuckle-bow. This example, from the Wallace Collection, has a rear guard to protect the thumb, though it isn't visible in this photo.
Christian, let me just say again how impressive this work is. The flow of the lines and organic nature you've captured in that hilt is amazing. These hilts are very organic in nature, often replicating a "writhen" appearance similar to foilage and whatnot. I've tried with three makers to get a similar sword made and each time it's fallen through. I'm quite envious. If you'd ever like to go this route again, I have a blade for the project already made and would be thrilled to comission a finished sword from you. I'll have to wait 4-5 months before I have the money to do such a project, but I'd be thrilled if you were interested.
For all interested in this hilt type (who don't already know this), see Oakeshott's European Weapons & Armour: From the Renaissance to the Industrial Revolution. A few photos, but lots of helpful drawings covering this very type in multiple varieties and with notes about geographic origins and chronology of each type.
Very impressive work, indeed!
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