Hi!
This is my first post so forgive me any mistakes and bad english :\

I need Yours opinion about dating of the helmet classified as Italian basinet.Do you have any other pictures of this type?

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Michal,

A picture of a very similar bascinet was posted in this thread. It may actually be the same bascinet. We never really decided what it is (neither Alexi or I think it is really a bascinet) or what time period it belonged to. I don't really buy the 14th century claim that was put forth in that thread, but I'm not an expert, either.

Sorry that I couldn't be more help.

-Grey

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What it looks like to me, is someone going to a armourers workshop, takes a look at a pig face bacinet and a Sallet, scratches his head, and says: "Can I have that one with that visor, because that pointy bit looks a bit, well, silly?"

Hell, It's what I would have done... :p

It could be some form of great bascinet. I swear I've seen something similar, at least in period artwork. I'll look around and see if I can find anything.

I think this is the same one from the thread Greyson linked to:

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If it's the top one, then it looks like a visored barbute or something. Strange.

The caption says 15th century. Why is that thought to be wrong?

Yes 15th century.But which decade?1400-20 or 1420-50?

Here is a helm that is not the same, but might share some of the same characteristics. It's of Venetian-style, early 15th century. It is said to derive from the barbuta but closed like the elmetto. It was discovered in the Greek castle of Chalcis and bears the marks P and N, made by two craftsmen, probably from Milan.

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Venetian-style Helmet -- early 15th century
Museo Civico L. Marzoli, Brescia, Italy

The general form of this helm(et) was around as early as the mid 14th c., though the early ones often had verveilles. The form persisted past 1430. What is unusual about this helm is the face opening. When I saw it, the visor had been removed, and there has been a lot of debate as to the visor's authenticity. Here is another photo.

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ya i think this helm got mixed and matched during the 19thc for a "cool" helmet. a 14thc visor with a 15th helm and a neato design

The visor sort of reminds me of the front lower part of a Frog Mouth Great Helm: Don't know if this helps much.

Looks like a Bascinet with a lot of Barbute mixed in.

For what it's worth, this figure is from a woodcut by Albrecht Dürer, dated 1510 by the artist. At least one similar helmet appears elsewhere in his woodcuts, but it has snouted visor.

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