Does anyone know the history and usage of by-knives and awls, and their inclusion into scabbards? I've seen this now on more than a few katzbalgers, and some later era scabbbards, and I think its a great idea. I'm about to buy Albions "The Knight" and since I dont have the money for the insanely expensive custom scabbard (sorry Albion, if I had that much cash just lying around, I'd buy another sword, or a new rifle) I thought I'd give scabbard making a go.
As long as I'm gonna make my own scabbard, I thought "Hey why not incorperate some dinnerware?" It looks cool
(says I), makes some practical sense (just in case I get attacked by a rogue feast, or some fresh fruit) and has some historical precedent.
What I dont know is how far back these items have been included on scabbards, and by whom. Any Ideas?
Secondly, where does one procure the utensils for a reasonable cost? I realize this is relative, as some of us wouldn't blink at a $500 byknife, but then some of us like the movie Grease. Nuff said. Most of of the knives I've seen look JUST LIKE a run of the mill wooden handled kitchen knife, but A&A wants $48 for theirs. I dont get it. Should I just grab a wooden handled knife and call it medieval? Really the design seems pretty unchanged. Does anyone know of a set that match my sword? I would spend the money if I could find the right set.
Thirdly, and lastly, has anyone ever made a scabbard to include utility pouches? any advice? any caveats? I'm very curious about this.
Items like by-knives and awls weren't a feature of scabbards used with swords like the Knight. This is a sword from the high middle-ages and these ancillary tools really don't surface until the late middle-ages, c. 15th century. So if you want to include them in your Knights scabbard I'd say go ahead and do what feels good since they won't be accurate anyway.
I personally love these features and would like to have them for a couple of swords in my collection.
I personally love these features and would like to have them for a couple of swords in my collection.
Gavin Kisebach wrote: |
What I dont know is how far back these items have been included on scabbards, and by whom. Any Ideas? |
At least as far back as the late Iron Age. There are some extant examples of by-knives for the Iberian Falcata, some apparently found with the swords and the "scabbard tackle" (chapes, rings, and such -- the actual scabbards, being made of wood and leather, having long since decayed away).
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At least as far back as the late Iron Age. There are some extant examples of by-knives for the Iberian Falcata, some apparently found with the swords and the "scabbard tackle" (chapes, rings, and such -- the actual scabbards, being made of wood and leather, having long since decayed away). |
That's very cool info Dave. Do you know of any photos on-line of some examples?
Here is a couple of pics of the XVIIIa I got from Manning Imperial:
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Patrick Kelly wrote: |
David Wilson wrote:
Gavin Kisebach wrote: What I dont know is how far back these items have been included on scabbards, and by whom. Any Ideas? At least as far back as the late Iron Age. There are some extant examples of by-knives for the Iberian Falcata, some apparently found with the swords and the "scabbard tackle" (chapes, rings, and such -- the actual scabbards, being made of wood and leather, having long since decayed away). That's very cool info Dave. Do you know of any photos on-line of some examples? |
I don't know of any photos on-line, but there are some drawings in Peter Conolly's Greece and Rome at War.
-Grey
I don't know of any pics of an original on-line, but...
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I know it's not an original, but it's a pretty accurate-looking repro (by Deepeeka).
The Connolly book is excellent, I believe some pics may also be found in the Osprey/Men-At-Arms series book Rome's Enemies 4: Spanish Armies by Martinez.
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I know it's not an original, but it's a pretty accurate-looking repro (by Deepeeka).
The Connolly book is excellent, I believe some pics may also be found in the Osprey/Men-At-Arms series book Rome's Enemies 4: Spanish Armies by Martinez.
Thanks! I do seem to remember seeing these in Connolly's book. I'll have to give that another look.
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