I've always been fascinated by the idea of camel jousting, being a bigger fan of camels than of horses. I've found this image from a Persian manuscript that supposedly details bedouin fighting. Interestingly, whether on horseback or on camel-back, this style of using the lance in both hands is referred to by arab sources as the bedouin style. Fun stuff.
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I'd love to see camel armour! :eek: :lol:
| G. Scott H. wrote: |
| I'd love to see camel armour! :eek: :lol: |
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Wow! :eek: Do you know what those were made from? Were they primarily decorative, or did they actually protect the camel's head? Do you know if they ever armoured the camel's body in any way, or just the head? :)
| G. Scott H. wrote: |
| Wow! :eek: Do you know what those were made from? Were they primarily decorative, or did they actually protect the camel's head? Do you know if they ever armoured the camel's body in any way, or just the head? :) |
No clue. My guess is leather or iron, but I really don't know. I just happened to remember two places for camel armour pics to give to you.
Sorry, but IMHO camels are very nasty animals. I spent time with both camels and horses in Egypt a few decades ago. I get on much better with horses.
| Steve Grisetti wrote: |
| Sorry, but IMHO camels are very nasty animals. I spent time with both camels and horses in Egypt a few decades ago. I get on much better with horses. |
I find camels to be friendlier and less tempermental.
Could be wrong, but didn't the Mongols and Japanese also used two hands with their spears or naginatas on horseback.
Also horses seemed to shy away from camels and became hard to manage, giving cavalry on camels an advantage over horse cavalvy.
Maybe horses could be trained to fight effectively against camels, but unprepared cavalry would have a nasty surprise.
Horses just didn't like the smell of camels :eek:
Also horses seemed to shy away from camels and became hard to manage, giving cavalry on camels an advantage over horse cavalvy.
Maybe horses could be trained to fight effectively against camels, but unprepared cavalry would have a nasty surprise.
Horses just didn't like the smell of camels :eek:
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| Alina Boyden wrote: |
| I find camels to be friendlier and less tempermental. |
I never met a camel that didn't try to take a bite out of me :eek: or spit at me :surprised:
| Jean Thibodeau wrote: |
| Horses just didn't like the smell of camels |
Neither do I.
With camels and horses, people seem to be divided into two camps (similar to the way some of us get along with cats, and others with dogs). I stand firmly in the horse camp. (Also in the dog camp.)
| Steve Grisetti wrote: | ||||
I never met a camel that didn't try to take a bite out of me :eek: or spit at me :surprised:
Neither do I. With camels and horses, people seem to be divided into two camps (similar to the way some of us get along with cats, and others with dogs). I stand firmly in the horse camp. (Also in the dog camp.) |
I like horses, I just also like camels. I want both. As far as cats and dogs, there really is no comparison. You can have a companion for life, or you can have a disgusting little creature that tries to scratch you, bite you, and run away. And this "independence" is supposed to be prized. Sorry, but if I'm paying for you and feeding you then you'd better at least be friendly.
| Jean Thibodeau wrote: |
| Could be wrong, but didn't the Mongols and Japanese also used two hands with their spears or naginatas on horseback.
Also horses seemed to shy away from camels and became hard to manage, giving cavalry on horseback an advantage over horse cavalvy. Maybe horses could be trained to fight effectively against camels, but unprepared cavalry would have a nasty surprise. Horses just didn't like the smell of camels :eek: |
Yes. This style of fighting with the lance was used on horseback by many different peoples - europeans included. It just happens to also have been the preferred bedouin method for fighting from a camel.
Yes I think early European knights may have uses two hands on their spears before couching their spears became standard as a technique using somewhat shorter lances than the later heavy cavalry , or one handed overhand in a stabbing fashion.
And light cavalry of various ethnic groups maybe influenced by Arab or Mongol cavalry techniques probably used twohanded techniques during all periods.
I'm mostly guessing here and I'm sure you know more about it than I do.
Maybe Gordon Frye can chime in here when he is again in a position to do so. (He is in the process of moving at the moment. )
Oh, I corrected a mistake in my earlier post as I meant "Cavalry on Camels " may have had an advantage over horse cavalry. ( Annoying when you see what you meant to write is not what you wrote. :blush: )
And light cavalry of various ethnic groups maybe influenced by Arab or Mongol cavalry techniques probably used twohanded techniques during all periods.
I'm mostly guessing here and I'm sure you know more about it than I do.
Maybe Gordon Frye can chime in here when he is again in a position to do so. (He is in the process of moving at the moment. )
Oh, I corrected a mistake in my earlier post as I meant "Cavalry on Camels " may have had an advantage over horse cavalry. ( Annoying when you see what you meant to write is not what you wrote. :blush: )
| Alina Boyden wrote: | ||||||
I like horses, I just also like camels. I want both. As far as cats and dogs, there really is no comparison. You can have a companion for life, or you can have a disgusting little creature that tries to scratch you, bite you, and run away. And this "independence" is supposed to be prized. Sorry, but if I'm paying for you and feeding you then you'd better at least be friendly. |
There you have it ,Camels and Horses are indeed no comparison. Besides taking them into a war, they where used in differend ways, Camels ar far more adapted to the desert environment and where good at garying heavy loads for a long time without the need for food or water. Also their (broad) feet ar more adapted to the sand, stone, and rock in the desert.
And I do beleef Camels have more fisical extra's that i now at the moment can't think of like there noses and eyes that are also in a way adapted for dealing with the (fine) sand.
I quess if you take a horse into the desert it would need more extra care en looking after then a camel would...
There for a horse for the desert people would be more a luxery item that only would be apliable for war fare.
Folkert.
Nothing to do with camel jousting, but a couple of interesting camel-related articles nonetheless. :)
http://www.outwestnewspaper.com/camels.html
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/golf/6479.php
http://www.outwestnewspaper.com/camels.html
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/golf/6479.php
| G. Scott H. wrote: |
| Nothing to do with camel jousting, but a couple of interesting camel-related articles nonetheless. :)
http://www.outwestnewspaper.com/camels.html http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/golf/6479.php |
I love the picture in the second article. Camels *dreamy sigh*
| Alina Boyden wrote: | ||
I love the picture in the second article. Camels *dreamy sigh* |
| Folkert van Wijk wrote: |
| And I do beleef Camels have more fisical extra's that i now at the moment can't think of like there noses and eyes that are also in a way adapted for dealing with the (fine) sand.Folkert. |
Indeed, camels have a double row of thick eyelashes, thick hair in their ears, and the ability to close their nostrils, all in order to keep blowing sand out of these areas. These features, along with the others you mentioned, make the camel one of the most striking examples of a creature being perfectly designed for its environment. :)
Folks,
Since we've never really discussed anything hear other than the camel's debateable disposition, this thread has been moved to this forum. :D
Since we've never really discussed anything hear other than the camel's debateable disposition, this thread has been moved to this forum. :D
| Alina Boyden wrote: |
| you can have a disgusting little creature that tries to scratch you, bite you, and run away. And this "independence" is supposed to be prized. Sorry, but if I'm paying for you and feeding you then you'd better at least be friendly. |
Some might say the same thing about children... :D
| Alex Oster wrote: | ||
Some might say the same thing about children... :D |
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