Most of what I can see in period art seems to show archers in the last quarter of the 14th century wearing long sleeved gambesons. However there are some examples of short sleeve and sleeveless gambesons being worn in this time period as well. Do we have any documents or sources which point toward vented armpit or stitched shoulder gambesons during this period?
I was told that vented armpits are a "re-enactism".
However, i recently encountered this picture and there they are:
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However, i recently encountered this picture and there they are:
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Well, well, well. How interesting! Care to share the dates on this piece?
Also, note the chainmail UNDER the gambeson. And the 'jack chains' on the arms and the 'skull cap' helm. ;) Those details might go a long way on a reconstruction of a period kit, which I'm thinking is Late 15th-Early 16th c. I could be a bit off on that though. :) If I'm wrong, someone please correct me. :\ .....McM
Jonathan Hodge wrote: |
Well, well, well. How interesting! Care to share the dates on this piece? |
It's from Hans Memling's 1489 St. Ursula Shrine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Ursula_Shrine
These are not gambesons, but jacks. Instead of layers of fabric surrounding loose fill, they are a semi-rigid construction composed of numerous layers of fabric (sometimes with a layer of deerskin as a covering). Two Burgundian ordinances specifically call for the lighter jacks made of 10 or 12 layers of fabric to be worn over mail.
La jaque qui couvre le paletot de haubergerie sera de 10 toiles (au lieu de 12), ils joindront à leur armure, demi avant-bras à petites gardes et manches d’acier pendant jusqu’au coude, assez larges pour ne point les gêner lorsqu’ils tireront.
L’archer sera monté sur un cheval de 10 écus au moins, habillé d’une jaque à haut collet tenant lieu de gorgerin, avec bonnes manches; il portera une cotte de mailles ou paletot de haubergerie dessous cette jaque qui sera de 12 toiles au moins dont 3 de toile cirée et 9 de toile commune. Il aura pour garantir sa tête une bonne salade sans visière; il sera armé en outre d’un arc solide, d’une trousse pouvant contenir 2 douzaines et demie de flèches, d’une longue épée à deux mains, d’une dague tranchant des deux côtés et longue d’un pied et demi
The hole in the armpit is necessary because of the rigid nature of this defense.
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Mark Moore wrote: |
Also, note the chainmail UNDER the gambeson. And the 'jack chains' on the arms and the 'skull cap' helm. ;) Those details might go a long way on a reconstruction of a period kit, which I'm thinking is Late 15th-Early 16th c. I could be a bit off on that though. :) If I'm wrong, someone please correct me. :\ .....McM |
You’re right! 1489.
Mart is becoming a personal hero of mine lol. It makes total sense that this would be a jack - especially since it is accompanied by jack chains.
So what do we know about multi color gambesons being a thing in period? On some modern sites I see quartered gambesons being sold that look very nice, but in manuscripts I’m only seeing solid color, or some two-toned examples - and really only in France. I’ve also found an example of a quilted gambeson much earlier than I thought they came about. Can’t currently upload the files from phone as they’re too large. Will hopefully be able to edit and upload later.
So what do we know about multi color gambesons being a thing in period? On some modern sites I see quartered gambesons being sold that look very nice, but in manuscripts I’m only seeing solid color, or some two-toned examples - and really only in France. I’ve also found an example of a quilted gambeson much earlier than I thought they came about. Can’t currently upload the files from phone as they’re too large. Will hopefully be able to edit and upload later.
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