hello all i am trying to look into english maces in the 14th century but cant really find any.
does anyone have any sources, pictures or locations of these? as i do medieval reenactments and want to improve my knowledge of weapon for shows
As far as I know there is no such thing as a English mace (as distinct from other maces) in the 14th century, so I would widen my search to include continental maces.
Here's a few from English manuscripts. The top two are in the early 14th century, while the bottom is mid-14th century. I'm not aware of any extant 14th century mace heads that resemble the one from the final image.
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/media/manuscr.../312-5.jpg
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4154/12134/
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4373/7074/
Here's the mace head found in the River Thames: [ Linked Image ]
Here's a few from English manuscripts. The top two are in the early 14th century, while the bottom is mid-14th century. I'm not aware of any extant 14th century mace heads that resemble the one from the final image.
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/media/manuscr.../312-5.jpg
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4154/12134/
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4373/7074/
Here's the mace head found in the River Thames: [ Linked Image ]
Here's a review of the Windlass/MRL River Thames Mace reproduction of Craig's photo. The author, Greyson Blair, was also looking for a 14th century mace. http://myArmoury.com/review_mrl_rtmace.html
Arms and Armor used to make a version of this, but have discontinued it. I can't find it on Windlass either. Don't know if this speaks to provenance issues or what. You could always contact A&A and ask them about it.
Arms and Armor used to make a version of this, but have discontinued it. I can't find it on Windlass either. Don't know if this speaks to provenance issues or what. You could always contact A&A and ask them about it.
A Windlass product currently offered which *may* fit into your timeframe is a bar mace, as seen here:
http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-543-bar-mace.aspx
If this flavor of weapon is appealing to you, it may even be worth considering having someone weld it up for you - maces are not generally made of spring steel, after all.
I think Windlass also used to sell cast mace heads - I'm not sure they do that anymore. However, I think Tod does, and you can see his selection here:
http://www.todsstuff.co.uk/todsfoundry/mace.htm
Do your own hafting, and you've got a quality reproduction at a very reasonable price.
http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-543-bar-mace.aspx
If this flavor of weapon is appealing to you, it may even be worth considering having someone weld it up for you - maces are not generally made of spring steel, after all.
I think Windlass also used to sell cast mace heads - I'm not sure they do that anymore. However, I think Tod does, and you can see his selection here:
http://www.todsstuff.co.uk/todsfoundry/mace.htm
Do your own hafting, and you've got a quality reproduction at a very reasonable price.
Man, that River Thames bar mace looks odd to me. We'll never know how does the real one look like.
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Why does it look weird Sharil? Its certainly a fearsome lump.
The other b&w pic ts pretty similar to the later, more refined germanic ones. Flanges on a shaft...? what happens after that is anyone's guess but I visualise it on a wooden haft. Maybe the shaft extended all the way down.
The other b&w pic ts pretty similar to the later, more refined germanic ones. Flanges on a shaft...? what happens after that is anyone's guess but I visualise it on a wooden haft. Maybe the shaft extended all the way down.
Just looking at that bar mace makes my head hurt...
Shahril Dzulkifli wrote: |
Man, that River Thames bar mace looks odd to me. We'll never know how does the real one look like.
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Not true at all:
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From this thread: http://myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=16748
So that's how a real bar mace supposed to look like. First I thought the mace looks weird due to its form though it isn't.
Chad Arnow wrote: | ||
Not true at all: [ Linked Image ] [ Linked Image ] From this thread: http://myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=16748 |
Any idea why there is a shrunken + section at the end of the bar mace? Any idea why the larger + section doesn't go all the way to the end of the mace?
Shawn Caza's excellent collection review remains online.
Home page: http://otlichnik.tripod.com/medmace0.html
Medieval knobbed maces: http://otlichnik.tripod.com/medmace2.html
Medieval flanged maces: http://otlichnik.tripod.com/medmace3.html
Home page: http://otlichnik.tripod.com/medmace0.html
Medieval knobbed maces: http://otlichnik.tripod.com/medmace2.html
Medieval flanged maces: http://otlichnik.tripod.com/medmace3.html
Manuscript Miniatures, 1300-1360, Tag: mace
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/search/?year=...anuscript=
There are also a number of wooden or reinforced wood cugels, staves, and clubs which appear in musters as bacculum.
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/search/?year=...anuscript=
There are also a number of wooden or reinforced wood cugels, staves, and clubs which appear in musters as bacculum.
Philip Dyer wrote: | ||
Any idea why there is a shrunken + section at the end of the bar mace? Any idea why the larger + section doesn't go all the way to the end of the mace? |
Might be used to tie a cord/strap for carrying, or to make it sit nicely in a holder at the saddle, or in a rack for storage. (There are various weapons with features with similar functions, notably weapons without scabbards.)
British Library Additional MS 47680, fo.61v Secretum Secretorum, 1326-1327, London, England
http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=add_ms_47680_f061v
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The older faceted style remained in use, from the contemporary Oxford Christ Church Ms. 98, fo.73v, Liber de nobilitatibus, sapiencijs et prudencijs regum, 1326-1327, London, England.
http://viewer.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/christchurch/...p;page=153
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Christ Church Ms. 92, fo.60r - Notice the turned grip and decoration on the haft. The crested bascinet is also really weird.
http://viewer.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/christchurch/...p;page=126
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An English bedel with mace apprehends a cutpurse. The Gorleston Psalter, British Library, Additional MS 49622, fo. 153r, bas-de-page marginalia, England, 1310-1324.
http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=add_ms_49622_f153r
And the eternal combat vs. the snail on fo.185v.
http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=add_ms_49622_f185v
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And the eternal combat vs. the snail on fo.185v.
http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=add_ms_49622_f185v
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