Is this soldier on the left wear mail underneath a gamebson? Was it a common practice to wear mail beneath padding and breastplate over it? Thanks
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well define 'common practice' I suppose. It crops up here and there and wearing stuff in addition to a padded jack can but help, assuming the jack is made well. And by that I mean something not too thick and encumbering.
Sandwiching mail between two (relatively) lightly-padded garments was quite common in the late 14th and early 15th centuries. I wouldn't be surprised if it was still done in the late 15th century too.
I haven't seen this drawing discussed, it is obviously a man in his underarmour clothing. Next to the wounded man are parts of his bloodied kastenbrust armour. The shape of arming doubled closely follows the shape of the kastenbrust breastplate - chest is very globose - padded? Waist, arms and hose are very tight fitting, they don't seem padded.
Link to bigger scan: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Ms.XIX.17-3_22r.png
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The Ms.XIX.17-3 is a German fencing manual created by Hans Talhoffer some time between 1446 and the creation of the Thott manuscript in 1459. The original currently rests in the private collection of the Königsegg-Aulendorf family in Königseggwald, Germany. This manuscript may possibly have been commissioned by the very Luithold von Königsegg who is featured in several of Talhoffer's works. |
Link to bigger scan: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Ms.XIX.17-3_22r.png
Are you sure he isn't praying for forgiveness for killing a woman? I have never seen a breastplate with two separate breasts before.
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Are you sure he isn't praying for forgiveness for killing a woman? I have never seen a breastplate with two separate breasts before. |
O_o I hope you are joking. That 's not a woman. That 's a Kastenbrust.
Those are not two separate breast-cups -- just a (somewhat unusual) dimple sticking upwards from the faulds into the keel of the breastplate. If you're not familiar with the Kastenbrust, this old thread might help in getting a general image of it:
http://myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=117...astenbrust
http://myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=117...astenbrust
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