| Robert MacPherson wrote: |
| I thought I would put money where my mouth is this morning, so I spent some time experimenting with mail. |
| Robert MacPherson wrote: |
| I have the process down to about 65seconds per ring; for rings that are are closed, but not knitted into the fabric. That time does not include the annealings, because they are batch processes and subject to economies of scale. Of the 35 seconds required to rivet, all but about 8 of them are about making, cutting, and inserting the rivets. There's got to be a better way to deal with the rivets.
I imagine that it's taking me about four times what it should take. I'm in the right order of magnitude anyway. Mac |
| Erik D. Schmid wrote: |
| For what it's worth, the image of my mail should be listed under ancient history as I have not crafted links like that in over a decade. |
| Eric S wrote: |
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Mac, if you have a way to show the final process of setting the rivet more clearly that would be helpful, I think you have shown everything up to the rivet setting step in a way that anyone can follow. |
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| Eric S wrote: |
| I am putting some information from a thread on this forum and a thread from another forum together here. Mart posted some information on Wade Allens hauberk M2. ( http://www.allenantiques.com/M-2.html ) It is a long horsemans type with a split up the front and back, all European wedge riveted mail, it has been suggested that the mail is 14th or early 15th (possibly Milanese).
I noticed a similarity between Wade Allens M2 hauberk and three other hauberks that I know of, these were also of the same type with a long split up the front and back. All four have some similarities and differences, it has been suggested that possibly all or some of these hauberks were either made for or sold to the Indo-Persian market. There is evidence of trade between European countries and several Indo-Persian countries in both arms and armor. All four have a long front and back split and a split at the collar, three of the hauberks have similar standing leather collars, all four appear to be made with wedge riveted mail with one of the four having alternating wedge rivets and solid links, two have a wide flat area at the top of the front and back splits which looks typically Indo-Persian. The outer rivet heads on all four hauberks are very worn, to the point that the metal appears to be smooth and the rivet heads look like small rounded bumps instead of being pronounced, showing age and use. So far two of the hauberks have been said to possibly be constructed with Italian mail with a time period ranging from 14th or early 15th century on one to 15th to 16th century for the other, two have no opinions yet on age or origin. Two have been weighed one was 16 lbs, the other 18 lbs. Here are some photographs of the four hauberks along with some detailed images of the links. Wade Allens hauberk M2 is top left. [ Linked Image ] #1. Wade Allens M2, 16 lbs. [ Linked Image ] [ Linked Image ] #2. Wedge riveted with alternating solid links, 18 lbs. [ Linked Image ] [ Linked Image ] #3. [ Linked Image ] [ Linked Image ] #4. [ Linked Image ] [ Linked Image ] |
| Eric S wrote: |
| Mac, thanks for sharing your secrets. |
| Mart Shearer wrote: |
| Eric,
I think your sample #5 is not European. The demi-riveted construction, round rivets, and interior point at the overlap suggest otherwise. Erik mentioned that interior point near the break of pages 2 & 3 in a previous discussion. http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=29799 |