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M Boyd
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Posts: 63 Location: Northern Midlands, Tasmania
Tue 01 Oct, 2013 12:39 am
Handy link to German Fechtbuch
http://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/dms...=PHYS_0006
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Gottfried P. Doerler
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Posts: 229 Location: Tyrol, Austria
Tue 01 Oct, 2013 3:53 am
this is a strange fechtbuch.
have you looked page 10 ?
what is happening there at the bottom picture ? the armoured man is getting offered some wine, but smashes it with a hammer ??
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M Boyd
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Posts: 63 Location: Northern Midlands, Tasmania
Tue 01 Oct, 2013 4:45 am
Gottfried P. Doerler wrote:
this is a strange fechtbuch.
have you looked page 10 ?
what is happening there at the bottom picture ? the armoured man is getting offered some wine, but smashes it with a hammer ??

"I ordered ALE!!!
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Christopher B Lellis
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Posts: 268 Location: Houston, Texas
Tue 01 Oct, 2013 5:06 am
Oh neat, I haven't seen this one. Do you know when it was drawn and who did it?

Btw, all of your threads are cool and interesting.
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M Boyd
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Posts: 63 Location: Northern Midlands, Tasmania
Tue 01 Oct, 2013 5:08 am
...And a couple more:
http://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/dms...mp;USE=800
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Title: The Adeliche Knightly and fencing
Author: Calibration, Johann Heinrich
Place of Publication: Berlin
Publisher: Berlin State Library - Prussian Cultural Heritage Foundation, Germany
Signature: Ms. germ oct. 227
Categories: Manuscripts, military affairs
Type of structure: Handwriting
Scanned pages: 159


http://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/dms...mp;USE=800
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Title: The Book of the fencing and the knighthood
Place of Publication: Bern
Release year: 14XX
Signature: Ms. germ fol. 1705
Categories: Manuscripts, military affairs, languages ​​/ literatures
Type of structure: Monograph
Scanned pages: 396

http://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/dms...mp;USE=800
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Title: Gunmaster-Discurs
Author: Schreiber, Georg
Place of Publication: Brieg
Publisher: Tschorn
Release year: 1656
Place of Publication: Berlin
Publisher: Berlin State Library - Prussian Cultural Heritage Foundation, Germany
VD17 number: 1:685876 C
Signature: 4 "Hw 40245 <a>
Categories: Historical prints, military affairs
Type of structure: Monograph
Scanned pages: 294

http://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/dms...mp;USE=800
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Title: Warfare
Author: Albrecht <Preußen, Herzog>
Place of Publication: Königsberg
Place of Publication: Berlin
Publisher: Berlin State Library - Prussian Cultural Heritage Foundation, Germany
Signature: Ms. BORUSS. fol. 1254
Categories: Manuscripts, history / ethnography / Geography, Military affairs
Type of structure: Handwriting
Scanned pages: 775


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M Boyd
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Posts: 63 Location: Northern Midlands, Tasmania
Tue 01 Oct, 2013 5:22 am
Christopher B Lellis wrote:
Oh neat, I haven't seen this one. Do you know when it was drawn and who did it?

Btw, all of your threads are cool and interesting.

Thanks very much!
All the info I can access on the initial link is:
Title: Fechtbuch
Place of Publication: Southern Germany
Place of Publication: Nuremberg?
Place of Publication: Berlin
Publisher: Berlin State Library - Prussian Cultural Heritage Foundation, Germany
Signature: Libr pict. A 83
Categories: Manuscripts, military affairs
Type of structure: Handwriting
Scanned pages: 140

Good skill in depicting body mechanics and balance, huh?
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Christopher B Lellis
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Posts: 268 Location: Houston, Texas
Tue 01 Oct, 2013 5:31 am
M Boyd wrote:
Christopher B Lellis wrote:
Oh neat, I haven't seen this one. Do you know when it was drawn and who did it?

Btw, all of your threads are cool and interesting.

Thanks very much!
All the info I can access on the initial link is:
Title: Fechtbuch
Place of Publication: Southern Germany
Place of Publication: Nuremberg?
Place of Publication: Berlin
Publisher: Berlin State Library - Prussian Cultural Heritage Foundation, Germany
Signature: Libr pict. A 83
Categories: Manuscripts, military affairs
Type of structure: Handwriting
Scanned pages: 140

Good skill in depicting body mechanics and balance, huh?


Absolutely, whoever made that manuscript was just as knowledgeable as Talhoffer.
I've actually done lots of searching and researching of sword fighting manuscripts from the medieval and renaissance world and have found much but I have never seen what you posted here and it's a really good quality one. Very good find.
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Christopher B Lellis
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Posts: 268 Location: Houston, Texas
Tue 01 Oct, 2013 5:35 am
Page 55
Thats more flex than I would have thought "way more actually" for a sword with a diamond shaped blade to it.

Or maybe he is just really strong and is trying to scare his opponent by bending a stiff blade :eek:


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M Boyd
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Posts: 63 Location: Northern Midlands, Tasmania
Tue 01 Oct, 2013 5:58 am
Christopher B Lellis wrote:
Page 55
Thats more flex than I would have thought "way more actually" for a sword with a diamond shaped blade to it.

Or maybe he is just really strong and is trying to scare his opponent by bending a stiff blade :eek:

Yeah, mustachioed macho man means muscle.
Which end is he going to let go of?
The blade point going to snap forward or the hilt come over and wallop him like a murder-stroke?
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Olov Tidemalm
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Tue 01 Oct, 2013 6:12 am
Gottfried P. Doerler wrote:
this is a strange fechtbuch.
have you looked page 10 ?
what is happening there at the bottom picture ? the armoured man is getting offered some wine, but smashes it with a hammer ??


I was going to say that I think he's loading a twin barrelled gun, but looking at the picture again I'm not so sure anymore.
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Benjamin Floyd II
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Tue 01 Oct, 2013 11:35 am
http://hemaalliance.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1257

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I thought this was weird...

There's also the woman chasing the guy with what looks like a bread/pizza oven board.
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Michael Chidester
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Posts: 4 Location: Boston, MA
Tue 01 Oct, 2013 11:58 am
Here's my profile of the Berlin:

http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Berlin_Sketchbook_%28Libr.Pict.A.83%29

Which reminds me that I need to go find the source for the Durer attribution. I think it was Strauss, but I might be wrong. This is a fascinating little manuscript, though. The anonymous S&B series replicated with longswords, the strange armored positions, and the single longsword is all over the place.

Christopher B Lellis wrote:
Absolutely, whoever made that manuscript was just as knowledgeable as Talhoffer

Funny you should make that comparison, because most of the dagger plays that weren't sourced from Nuremberg come from the Gotha version of Talhoffer (that's not mentioned in the article linked above, since mapping out the exact overlap is still on my todo list).

http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Talhoffer_Fechtbuc...t.A.558%29
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M Boyd
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Posts: 63 Location: Northern Midlands, Tasmania
Tue 01 Oct, 2013 3:16 pm
Michael Chidester wrote:
Here's my profile of the Berlin:

http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Berlin_Sketchbook_%28Libr.Pict.A.83%29


Excellent stuff, that!
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Harry Marinakis
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Tue 01 Oct, 2013 6:20 pm
Thank you!
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