Hi everybody!

I found this picture and i saw this type of helmet in the Battle of the Nations a lot of, but i know nothing about this. Anybody have any information about it?

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Thanks!

My guess is that it is a modern design derived from the burgonet helmet as much as the older bascinet design. The heavy bill on the burgonet is useful for facial protection as it can help stop blades from hitting your face, as well as giving some rigidity to the forehead.

I am fairly sure there were never any bascinets with a 'beak' like this... burgonets, on the other hand, have it as an essential part of their design. In fact, if it were not for the mail aventail, I would call this a burgonet rather than a bascinet.

Lol.
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Thanx!

I found this!

http://citadelblog.ru/bacinet-s-kozyrkom/

And there's some egg on my face :)

To be fair, though, both your links show the exact same image. If this isn't a fake, then it's certainly an interesting specimen... possibly an one-off, though?

Nope. There is some Italian art showing that kind of bascinets (Flos Duellatorum, for example).
It wasn't common yes, but wasn't unique. =)

Any images of such bascinets with aventails? Would be good to collect them here.

Well, the one I posted has vervelles, so presumably it had an aventail attached.

There is a theory that on that particular bascinet the bill was likely attached much later than the helmet itself was made. I am most interested in the pictorial evidence. So far I have seen quite a lot of burgonet-like helmets, but all of them are depicted either being worn without any face protection at all or with a bevor. And most of them seem to either have a rudimentary "tail" or flare out like some Italian salades and barbutas.

To poke the topic again - the "historical" specimen should be at this museum:

http://www.musees-valais.ch/musee-dhistoire.html

under the museum inventory No.: MV 24-83

I find it odd that this particular specimen is not noted in the article on this site:
http://www.myArmoury.com/feature_spot_bascinet.html

since the the article referes to the museum

Quote:

One in the Museum of Valais, Sion (MV30-83 German)

I'm voting fake as well - tho for the interest i'd like to know if anyone can do something with the inventory number.

I have tried reaching the museum via mail without luck, so if anyone can clear this one i'd be happy :)

Spinello Aretino, storie di San Benedetto.(1385 1405)+

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e4/d5/...431ce3.jpg

I wouldn't call it a bascinet. It's more like a deep celata with a pointed scull. Note the flared lower edge and no aventail. And the aventail is the key point here. This image proves what has been said before: celatas and early "bourgonets" with either open face or a bevor - yes, bascinets with aventails - no.