Hi
Did any of my fellow Brits catch BBC2s 'Hidden Treasure' tonight? Saxon sword hilt find from Lincolnshire, suggested as Swedish gift. Very pretty work.
Geoff
damn i missed it again, thats the 2nd time i forgot it was on.
| Lee Watts wrote: |
| damn i missed it again, thats the 2nd time i forgot it was on. |
Some details here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/archaeology/trea...s_07.shtml
Why Swedish?
| Scott Bubar wrote: |
| Why Swedish? |
Because of stylistic similarities with examples shown in a Swedish museum. It wasn't a hugely convincing argument, as regards both direction of movement and whether style or object was what travelled, but maybe, as with many TV presentations, we got a very abridged version.
| Geoff Wood wrote: | ||
Because of stylistic similarities with examples shown in a Swedish museum. It wasn't a hugely convincing argument, as regards both direction of movement and whether style or object was what travelled, but maybe, as with many TV presentations, we got a very abridged version. |
First, the British find:
[ Linked Image ]
Then a very similar scabbard mount from Sörmland in Sweden:
[ Linked Image ]
...so the "Swedish gift theory" isn't that implausible...
Hi Bjorn
Thanks for posting the pictures. I agree that it is plausible, but on the basis of the (little) information presented in the programme, so would be a Saxon gift to Sweden, or maybe a North German gift to both places, or a Saxon seeing the Swedish sword and copying the style when he got home. Similarity doesn't prove type and direction of causality. I imagine there is more information out there to back up the suggestion, but they didn't present it. Whatever, it was very good work. They also showed a lovely silver piece of sword furniture that had been recently found. The stuff of dreams!
Geoff
Thanks for posting the pictures. I agree that it is plausible, but on the basis of the (little) information presented in the programme, so would be a Saxon gift to Sweden, or maybe a North German gift to both places, or a Saxon seeing the Swedish sword and copying the style when he got home. Similarity doesn't prove type and direction of causality. I imagine there is more information out there to back up the suggestion, but they didn't present it. Whatever, it was very good work. They also showed a lovely silver piece of sword furniture that had been recently found. The stuff of dreams!
Geoff
| Geoff Wood wrote: |
| Similarity doesn't prove type and direction of causality. |
Nope, but frequency can. If a style is more common in, say, Viking Sweden, than in Saxon England, it can be assumed that Sweden would be the place of origin.
| Björn Hellqvist wrote: | ||
Nope, but frequency can. If a style is more common in, say, Viking Sweden, than in Saxon England, it can be assumed that Sweden would be the place of origin. |
Ageed, and there you have the advantage over me. I don't have your knowledge of the respective frequencies, but I'm happy to accept your confirmation of the theory's probable accuracy.
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