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Posts: 281 Location: Eastern Panhandle WV, USA

Thu 21 Jul, 2011 8:47 pm

My Teutonic Knight kit

Here is the 1370-1410 flavor of my Teutonic Knight kit.
I'll be expanding to earlier eras, and eventually will cover all the way to the late 13th century.
I'll be portraying a Ritterbrudern for all of the kits.

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Nathan Quarantillo

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Posts: 281 Location: Eastern Panhandle WV, USA

Thu 21 Jul, 2011 8:51 pm

Some More pictures.....

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TEU Kiss of peace pose.jpg

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TEU Kneling with cloak.jpg

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William P

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Posts: 1,525 Location: Sydney, Australia

Fri 22 Jul, 2011 5:01 am

whats under the surcoat? maile, or a breastplate?

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Nathan Quarantillo

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Posts: 281 Location: Eastern Panhandle WV, USA

Fri 22 Jul, 2011 8:16 am

Nothing now. I had the thing sized for maille so the cuirass is awkward underneath it.
I'm gonna be ordering the maille in a couple weeks.

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Jeremy V. Krause

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Posts: 1,717 Location: Buffalo, NY.

Fri 22 Jul, 2011 9:53 am

That's cool Nathan,

What material is the soft kit made of? Did you use a certain historic illumination to put this together or a number of sources?

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William P

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Posts: 1,525 Location: Sydney, Australia

Sun 24 Jul, 2011 5:00 am

and being one of the ritterbruden, does that mean youll be having one of those absolutely badass greathelms with the two webbed horns? like this one

i have to say that ranks as a must get for my collection.

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Augusto Boer Bront

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Posts: 296 Location: Cividale del Friuli (UD) Italy

Sun 24 Jul, 2011 5:49 am

No with that kind of armour. Flat topped grat helms can match just an hauberk. Nothing else.

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William P

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Posts: 1,525 Location: Sydney, Australia

Sun 24 Jul, 2011 6:57 am

hmm, so were the teutons still using those ornamentations but just on different helm designs? and what type of helm are you planning to wear, a bascinet? or maybe a sallet of some sort?

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Augusto Boer Bront

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Posts: 296 Location: Cividale del Friuli (UD) Italy

Sun 24 Jul, 2011 7:08 am

I have a copy of an osprey publication about the teutonic knights. There were no such ornamentation on bascinets. And sallets appear after the period that our friend is reenacting.

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William P

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Posts: 1,525 Location: Sydney, Australia

Sun 24 Jul, 2011 7:15 am

so it is indeed going to be a bascinet. will it be one of those snouted visor typs or open face..

that said. historical or no. i justcant imagine teutonic knights without that helm. its as iconic as the corinthian is to hoplites and the gallic G is to roman legioaires.

call it romantiscism but i somehow cant imagine riters with a snouted bascinet. thats just me of course.

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Jeff A. Arbogast

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Sun 24 Jul, 2011 10:54 am

Very handsome kit. Well done.

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Sander Marechal

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Posts: 671 Location: The Netherlands

Sun 24 Jul, 2011 9:14 pm

William P wrote:

that said. historical or no. i justcant imagine teutonic knights without that helm. its as iconic as the corinthian is to hoplites and the gallic G is to roman legioaires.

It's not, really. Have a look at the Codex Manesse. Everybody is doing outrageous helmet crests. It's not something specifically to Teutonic Knights at all. I'd even hazard to guess that everyone but the Teutonics (and other knightly orders) were doing such crests. The rules of their order would probably have forbidden too outrageous displays.

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Felix R.

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Posts: 555 Location: Germany

Mon 25 Jul, 2011 1:00 am

This is the type of helmet you should be looking for, look for the pictures of the original piece too.

Here you can find some possible reproductions:
http://www.viaarmorari.com/

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Bjorn Hagstrom

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Posts: 355 Location: Höör, Skane

Mon 25 Jul, 2011 4:34 am

Sander Marechal wrote:

It's not, really. Have a look at the Codex Manesse. Everybody is doing outrageous helmet crests. It's not something specifically to Teutonic Knights at all. I'd even hazard to guess that everyone but the Teutonics (and other knightly orders) were doing such crests. The rules of their order would probably have forbidden too outrageous displays.

Worth noticing is that the scenes from Codex Manesse shows fancy torney/jousting settings. A teutonic knightly brother is very unlikley to participate in a tourney, and by the same account, a unwieldy showy helmet crest would not likley be used in the field. I might have to eat my own words here, but I can't recall many battle-scenes from the high medieval era that shows helmet crests?

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Augusto Boer Bront

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Posts: 296 Location: Cividale del Friuli (UD) Italy

Mon 25 Jul, 2011 5:08 am

I don't know the prices, but I feel that via armorari is the kind of site that have a high price rate (500 euros for a great helm for example). Maybe a cheaper reproduction http://www.spqr.se/web_eng/medeval_helm_47.shtml.

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Felix R.

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Posts: 555 Location: Germany

Mon 25 Jul, 2011 5:30 am

Augusto Boer Bront wrote:

I don't know the prices, but I feel that via armorari is the kind of site that have a hugh price rate (400 euros for a great helm for example). Maybe a cheaper reproduction http://www.spqr.se/web_eng/medeval_helm_47.shtml.

You get what you pay for! thoise "cheapos" might work for simple helmet types - although even those are already off in terms of correct shapes - but when it comes to more complex helmets and visors, you will end up in paying for a good custom piece anyway, so why throwing the money out of the window in the first place?

Of course there are many more options than via armorari, it was just to give an idea of what such types could look like besides the miniature.

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William P

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Posts: 1,525 Location: Sydney, Australia

Mon 25 Jul, 2011 8:33 am

Sander Marechal wrote:

William P wrote:

that said. historical or no. i justcant imagine teutonic knights without that helm. its as iconic as the corinthian is to hoplites and the gallic G is to roman legioaires.

It's not, really. Have a look at the Codex Manesse. Everybody is doing outrageous helmet crests. It's not something specifically to Teutonic Knights at all. I'd even hazard to guess that everyone but the Teutonics (and other knightly orders) were doing such crests. The rules of their order would probably have forbidden too outrageous displays.

well fair enough. however i think that those helms will continue to be a thing which says 'teuonic knight' to me. like the corinthian says hoplite even though not every city state used the corinthian helmet.

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Augusto Boer Bront

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Posts: 296 Location: Cividale del Friuli (UD) Italy

Mon 25 Jul, 2011 9:17 am

Felix R. wrote:

Augusto Boer Bront wrote:

I don't know the prices, but I feel that via armorari is the kind of site that have a hugh price rate (400 euros for a great helm for example). Maybe a cheaper reproduction http://www.spqr.se/web_eng/medeval_helm_47.shtml.

You get what you pay for! thoise "cheepoes" might work for simple helmet types - although even those are already off in terms of correct shapes - but when it comes to more complex helmets and visors, you will end up in paying for a good custom piece anyway, so why throwing the money out of the window in the first place?

Of course there are many more options than via armorari, it was just to give an idea of what such types could look like besides the miniature.

Oh no, sorry, this is not what I wanted to say. Obviously the via armorary's stuff is of super high quality (tempered steel, raised helmets, ecc...) and you pay for that. But for a beginner I think is better to get a little cheaper helmet to see how it works with the kit and see if he wants to hold or to change it (and thet's helmet isn't properly a "cheapo". 250 euros for a 2mm helmet it's not).

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Sander Marechal

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Posts: 671 Location: The Netherlands

Mon 25 Jul, 2011 11:38 am

Augusto Boer Bront wrote:

I don't know the prices, but I feel that via armorari is the kind of site that have a high price rate (500 euros for a great helm for example). Maybe a cheaper reproduction http://www.spqr.se/web_eng/medeval_helm_47.shtml.

I have never seen a bascinet like that before, although it does look at lot like the one worn by the miniature posted above. It doesn't look historical to me. I may be totally wrong here of course.

Anyway, If you want a cheaper helmet then I'd highly suggest that you trawl some fairs and try them on yourselves. Cheaper models come in fixed sizes (like e.g. GDFB has, or Ulfbert) and should be available through various resellers. If a bascinet fits you poorly then you'll have really bad visibility. So, if you want to go cheap and get a "stock" bascinet, try them in real life first.

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Nathan Quarantillo

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Posts: 281 Location: Eastern Panhandle WV, USA

Mon 25 Jul, 2011 5:56 pm

Woo! ok, serious response time!

And my Teutonic knight kit will cover ALOT of time ground. From the late 13th to late 14th cent.
I plan to get a Helm that is Pembridge in it's styling. Yes, yes, too early for 13th cent, I'll be wearing my coif with that version.

And no great crest for me. I had the hood sized to wear over the helm. I will have decor, in the form of a brass cross in the center, and it being painted black and white. Per Pale.

And the Mantle and Surcote are all linen. Cotton isn't period, and wool is bloody hot. :\

And I like bascinates and all, but they're a bit too limited. Only 14th cent. And I'm a great helm kinda guy. Bucket-head looks all the way! ;)

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