Hello,

here is a talwar sword I've just bought.
Some days ago, I had posted these photos on another forum - so maybe you already have seen them - but I wasn't yet the owner and so I failed to get any comment...

Now that it's mine, I hope you will have some comments about it !

The blade is obviously forged and it's a nice work. It has unusual (at least to me) small serrations. It doesn't seem to be neither pattern welded, nor wootz steel.
Most of the handle koftgari has gone. The metal "scratching" for the kofgari is very light, I had to use a binocular microscope to see it.
The handle has been fixed with some modern (white) material, but the old one (brown) can still be seen inside.

I have been told this sword might be from north India, begining XIXth century. Any opinion ?

Regards.

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Bernard, I saw this when you put it up on Vikingsword. This is a really nice and somewhat unusual example. The tight serations of the blade edge are a great feature. The fullering of the blade seems to have a Turkish feel to it.

Thanks Allan.
Yes the serrations are very small and regular. Also growing larger to the tip of the blade. Never saw this before !
I am not shure about the origin because the handle looks more indian than turkish. But I wonder if may not be a later addition to an earlier blade. There is some "rusty" mark on the blade that doesn't seem to fit exactly the handle shape.

Closup photo of the serration and blade "rusty" marks :

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The handle is Indian. The blade could well be. It isn't a normal tulwar blade, but there were many strange examples (some nice ones in Tirri, Islamic Weapons). Widening towards the tip isn't that rare in tulwars, double-edged tips are fairly common. Serrated is rare, but known. But overall, even without the serrations, this is an unusual blade (but less unusual than some of the ones in Tirri!).

North India is a good best guess. Even if the original handle was something different, that's still a good guess.

Yep the hilt is of definite Indian form, the fullering just remineds me of some Turk kilijs i've seen, usually examples where the blade widens where the false edge begins in the front quarter of the blade as this blade does. The kohftari work on the hilt seems in very good shape, looks to be 70-80% intact. Its certainly possible that the blade could be married up to a more recent hilt. Given the region where the hilt predominates, there was certainly plenty of interaction and trade between cultures and the practice of rehitling blades can be found all over the world ( many good kaskara have older European blades ).

Can you tell me what is the filler material between hilt and blade? Is it the metal lead?

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it does look like a modern glue/epoxy... but the old resin pitch mix can sometimes look grey aswell.. ... i've seen a dark variety and a lighter grey type


to me, it does look all Indian ... very nice blade and handle... ! and sweet fullers

just a small correction in my opinion... there is nothing Persian about the blade.... its odd to see so the title Indo/Persian.... as both cultures are very distinct and do not deserve a blanket title in any respect... its like saying thats a "roman/viking" sword....


Greg

Hi B

there is a way to tell without etching the blade..

check the spine of the blade... ... many times wootz blade will have these long lines on the spine.. they look like cracks (but are actually air bubbles from the top of the ingots..
- sometime they are hidden ...by hammering soft iron wire in the grooves and sanding them flush... ... still it is possible to see the hints of the long lines on the spine of the blade...
- the bubbles are the reason that you alway forge the ingot and leave the top as the spine of the sword..

oh... and not all wootz swords have this... some are perfect

and no, it doesn't affect the performance of the blade....

myself i'd do the same...and keep it mint... again very nice piece !

Greg

I had a very close look at the blade. I found some forging flaws, but I can tell for shure it's not wootz, neither pattern welded steel.
Thanks to all of you for comments and advices.