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Tue 13 Oct, 2009 3:03 pm

Weapons from the collection of Kuresaare museum (Estonia)

First a few weapons of Late Iron Age (so untill mid 13th century)

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Double edged sword, judging from the decoration of the guard and pommel - made in Kurzeme (Kurland) [ Download ]

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More detailed look at the guard/pommel of the same sword, point and scabbard decor of diferent sword [ Download ]

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point of the same sword with the remains of scabbard decoration and below is the hilt of another sword [ Download ]

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Another sword [ Download ]

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interesting to note that sword on this and previous picture can be dated more precisely - it has ben found in Muhu hillfort and that hillfort was destroyed in winter of 1227, so it can be no younger than that. [ Download ]

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This one is heavilly decorated, the description says that with silver. [ Download ]

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And simplier styled hilt. [ Download ]

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Tue 13 Oct, 2009 3:07 pm

And now an interesting sample of a later sword

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Posts: 1,606 Location: Chicago, Illinois

Tue 13 Oct, 2009 3:19 pm

Thanks for posting these! I love the Messer! Post any others that you have too!

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Tue 13 Oct, 2009 3:25 pm

Tim Lison wrote:

Thanks for posting these! I love the Messer! Post any others that you have too!

Sadly there is not too many weapons on display there - next time I am over in that castle I will try to take a few shots of the single suit of armour they have and of one of the firearms (could not do it this time because of the other visitors - I was there with my tourist group as a guide and, understandiably, could not just wait for people to leave)

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Maurizio D'Angelo

Posts: 649 Location: Italy

Tue 13 Oct, 2009 3:53 pm

Artis,
thanks, the quality of the photos and details are excellent. :)
Ciao
Maurizio

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Posts: 232

Tue 13 Oct, 2009 8:48 pm

Nice pictures, Always like seeing pictures of the real thing.

and thanks to the last two pictures you posted I can now justify doing a SCA persona with a katana (granted with a western style hilt -- hmm the best of both worlds I would thing :p )

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M. Eversberg II

Posts: 1,435 Location: California, Maryland, USA

Tue 13 Oct, 2009 9:55 pm

Nice pictures! Reminds me that I'd like to visit Estonia.

M.

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Risto Rautiainen

Posts: 176 Location: Kontiolahti, Finland

Tue 13 Oct, 2009 11:06 pm

Do you know what material the hillfort sword hilt is? It is interesting to see how flat the grip is.

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Tue 13 Oct, 2009 11:09 pm

I belive it is a corroded iron that has been covered in some sort of lacquer to preserve it buy museum restorators. When I get there next time I will try to take a closer look and see how it is.

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Risto Rautiainen

Posts: 176 Location: Kontiolahti, Finland

Tue 13 Oct, 2009 11:30 pm

To me it looks like tin or lead. Could be wrong though.

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Hendrik Kivirand

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Wed 14 Oct, 2009 3:19 am

Risto Rautiainen wrote:

Do you know what material the hillfort sword hilt is? It is interesting to see how flat the grip is.

The Muhu hillfort sword on display is unfortunately a reproduction ("mulaaž" in Estonian), and of incorrect material, originals of this type have hilts of iron, often plated or inlaid with silver.

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Hendrik

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Wed 14 Oct, 2009 3:30 am

Hendrik Kivirand wrote:

Risto Rautiainen wrote:

Do you know what material the hillfort sword hilt is? It is interesting to see how flat the grip is.

The Muhu hillfort sword on display is unfortunately a reproduction ("mulaaž" in Estonian), and of incorrect material, originals of this type have hilts of iron, often plated or inlaid with silver.

Best regards,
Hendrik

Indeed it is a reproduction - do you, by chance, know where original is? And it does looked like a lot like some sample of real artefacts that have been covered in protective lacquier during soviet times - unfortunatelly, this layer of lacquier often ends up preserving the outer shape but not prevents rust so the item beneath that layer is often rusted compleatelly.

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Posts: 845 Location: The Netherlands

Wed 14 Oct, 2009 2:07 pm

Thanks for the pictures!

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Hendrik Kivirand

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Thu 15 Oct, 2009 6:40 am

Artis Aboltins wrote:

Hendrik Kivirand wrote:

Risto Rautiainen wrote:

Do you know what material the hillfort sword hilt is? It is interesting to see how flat the grip is.

The Muhu hillfort sword on display is unfortunately a reproduction ("mulaaž" in Estonian), and of incorrect material, originals of this type have hilts of iron, often plated or inlaid with silver.

Best regards,
Hendrik

Indeed it is a reproduction - do you, by chance, know where original is? And it does looked like a lot like some sample of real artefacts that have been covered in protective lacquier during soviet times - unfortunatelly, this layer of lacquier often ends up preserving the outer shape but not prevents rust so the item beneath that layer is often rusted compleatelly.

I'll check if I can find about it's current location, I *think* it might be in collections of the Historical Museum, but could also be that it was lost during WWII and was reproduced from drawings.

And I surely do love older 'conservation' work. My personal favourite is using electrolysis to remove rust from iron artefacts. Just so happens that it also destroys all hints of gold/silver/bronze/whatever plating the object might have had, plus all info on it's real dimensions. Close second is boiling the object in wax.

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Hendrik

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Posts: 441 Location: USA

Thu 15 Oct, 2009 8:43 am

Artis Aboltins wrote:

And now an interesting sample of a later sword

That is a serious 2 handed meat cleaver! The length look huge! I wonder how long it is?

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Anders Backlund

Posts: 629 Location: Sweden

Thu 15 Oct, 2009 5:19 pm

Artis Aboltins wrote:

And now an interesting sample of a later sword

What do we call these, anyway? It looks like a kriegsmesser but without the messer-style hilt.

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Thu 15 Oct, 2009 11:55 pm

Anders Backlund wrote:

Artis Aboltins wrote:

And now an interesting sample of a later sword

What do we call these, anyway? It looks like a kriegsmesser but without the messer-style hilt.

Good question indeed - I am by no means an expertin the messer-style swords, perharps someone more knowledgable about those would be able to advise?

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Posts: 2,307 Location: Croatia

Sat 17 Oct, 2009 5:10 am

It looks like Swiss hand and a half and two handed sabers.

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Sat 17 Oct, 2009 9:55 am

Luka Borscak wrote:

It looks like Swiss hand and a half and two handed sabers.

Do you, by chance, have any images of those? This one was dated 15th century...

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Posts: 2,307 Location: Croatia

Sat 17 Oct, 2009 5:39 pm

What I have seen but can't find right now usually looks like this:
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/5615.html
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/2544.html

Fittings of course come in many different styles. Most are dated to late 15th and first half of 16th century.

This by Lutel is quite similar, but I don't know on what historical example it's based on:
http://www.myArmoury.com/review_lut_10006.html

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