Go to page Previous  1, 2

Lafayette C Curtis wrote:
Vassilis Tsafatinos wrote:
M. Eversberg II wrote:
Greek seems to have changed little...quite fortunate!

M.


I don't want to give the wrong impression. It has changed in a similar way to how early Middle English has changed to Modern English. You can make out a lot of the words, but with out proper training you can not fully understand everything.


So true! I get a kick from comparing the way the medieval Greek in Byzantine texts differ from the ancient texts in Classical Greek.


Going back to the original topic, though, are we so sure that such swords were not used in the Middle Ages? There were no designs that closely resembled the falcata/kopis, true, but there were the various choppers illustrated in the Maciejowski Bible and all...


As someone who can understand Greek it is interesting to hear original lines from the New Testament and compare them to their English chopped up translation. Funny to then watch television preachers go off on tangents based on those translations. It kind of makes a good case for the medieval bans on vernacular translations of the bible.

Funny to watch people take an everyday word like "kopis" and think it is a specific style or sword. The word just means cutter.
Wow, that was a thoughtful answer. I guess the part of that that really sticks with me is that the leaf-blade and the falcata were thin blades. I pictured the falcata as thick in the spine and heavy. If it was thin in the cross section, then the forward curve would have compensated for that weakness, and made it more formidable.

In that case, the advent of the longer and more substantial two sided migration era sword would indeed have rendered the falcata's advantage almost obsolete. If they needed a shield, or helmet splitter, their sword could do the job as well as any falcata. And if not, the axe did the job much better.

I still imagine the falcata shape could be used in the role of the longseax. In that role it would still be useful, if not more versatile. (like the examples provided).

Grateful for all the insight.
Vassilis Tsafatinos wrote:
Funny to watch people take an everyday word like "kopis" and think it is a specific style or sword. The word just means cutter.


Yeah, but for lack of a more correct term, "kopis" actually becomes the English term for the style of sword by default, doesn't it? What is the correct name for the style of sword in Greek?

Below are some Falcata cross-sections. The Falcata is actually a very advanced design when you take all the various bits and pieces into consideration...


 Attachment: 20.79 KB
Falcata Cross-Sections.jpg
Here are some Falcata Cross Sections. They do very well in improving the cut even further.
Bennison N wrote:
Vassilis Tsafatinos wrote:
Funny to watch people take an everyday word like "kopis" and think it is a specific style or sword. The word just means cutter.


Yeah, but for lack of a more correct term, "kopis" actually becomes the English term for the style of sword by default, doesn't it? What is the correct name for the style of sword in Greek?



Yes, giving the name "kopis" to a style of sword as an English definition is fine. I was just trying to nail down if that is what was being done. I did not know if someone might come forth with a specific reference to some ancient text what might prove otherwise. I have not come across any, but then again I have only looked at a small sample in detail. I am rather interested in finding out the answer to your question "What is the correct name for the style of sword in Greek?". I don't know if this information has survived.
Sirs-the germanic tribes did use a version of the falcata, the falchion,with its blsde weight forward. Mr Oakshott, in his Archaeology if Weapons points out that they (forward weighted blades )were in use by the 500's or so, and illostrates one or two from Kraghul bog I think it was, However, they were very simple, blades, weighted at the point.
Go to page Previous  1, 2

Page 2 of 2

Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum




All contents © Copyright 2003-2006 myArmoury.com — All rights reserved
Discussion forums powered by phpBB © The phpBB Group
Switch to the Full-featured Version of the forum