Many had asked us about the possibilities of making such a unique piece before but none pursued the design afterwards. Eventually someone has realized his plan. It was 190cm overall length, 4 lbs in weight, balanced at the center. It was made for a local customer (not the guy in the photo). I wonder how the customer is going to wield it in sparring. :P

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I'd use it like a staff or poleaxe. Should be reasonable effective. The middle grip can be deadly up close.

4 pounds seems light for a "real" live steel weapon like that. I think that, for me, it would be a little unwieldy with the grip limited to the very middle of the weapon. I would drastically shorten both of the blades and elongate the handle, thus giving a wider range of grip positions. This would allow better reach, handle faster, and be less of a hazard to one's own limbs. More like a two-ended spear than a two-bladed sword. Actually, I'd just rather have a one-ended spear of the same length.

Of course, if it works for the person who wanted it, how can it be wrong? Its a nice show of what kinds of things can be made by RSW.

On a lighter note, I know if I were trying to use that weapon, I'd go for a parry and totally whack my crotch with one of the crossguards...

Now that I think about it, and now that we're on the issue of double sided swords, what if the 'second' blade were more like a glorified butt-spike? Shorter than the first blade, but perhaps sharpened and more sword-like than spike-like to facilitate stabbing and limited cutting?

You know, with a blade configuration like that and crossguards, I actually see it as being reasonably effective if used like a less protective version of a dueling shield...

Anyone who actually knows anything about how to use a dueling shield care to comment?

If I remember correctly, I think the dueling shields had longer handles than this does. I'd imagine this would change the dynamic of the weapon. Although I could just be crazy! :p

just speculating, but the main advantage to a weapon of this type would seem to be the ability to attack from two different directions in quick succession. there is also sort of a distraction factor in that - if you were facing someone wielding this you would need to be mindful of both blades simultaneously. yet, i have doubts that as a martial practice, this would in the end be more effective than simply learning to use two swords simultaneously. i dunno, thanks for sharing! now you have to make us a vid of someone sparring with it! tr

I know the customer plans on trapping the opponent's attack with the guard and then attack with the other blade. Another point is that with the long hilt, he can perform some spear thrusts with it, though the reach would not be very long. I'm not sure he can pull this off successfully or not, though. The video may very well feature a one-sided sparring... :P

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just speculating, but the main advantage to a weapon of this type would seem to be the ability to attack from two different directions in quick succession. there is also sort of a distraction factor in that - if you were facing someone wielding this you would need to be mindful of both blades simultaneously. yet, i have doubts that as a martial practice, this would in the end be more effective than simply learning to use two swords simultaneously. i dunno, thanks for sharing! now you have to make us a vid of someone sparring with it! tr

Even if I'm sceptical, but curious, about how useful or rather how limited it might be it would be nice to see what an improvised fight with it would look like in the hands of someone competent with longsword and competent with staff fighting. :idea: ;)

Seems to me that it would fight like a staff but be too short to get a range advantage on a longsword and with the " theoretically " sharp ends on both sides the number of techniques would be restricted ?

On the other hand half swording does use the hand on the bladed part of a sword i.e. sharp or semi sharp depending on sword type ? The use of good gloves or gauntlets might safely permit a more staff like use with less restrictions on where the hands can be used effectively ?

Exactly, it is most like fighting with a staff I would imagine except you are limited on where you can grip the weapon (in and around the center and pob), yet it has the advantage of being bladed. there are plenty of eastern (and western) martial traditions on the staff, including chinese. can't wait for the you-tube! :cool: , thom

http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=GkcQbhWoR6k

Here is the highlight video of the owner sparring with this weapon for the first time. I put up his successful efforts as examples of how he planned to use this stuff. :)

Shame he didn't try his double-sword against a weapon of equal length. That would have been far more telling of what his weapon is capable of.

I remember back when I used boffers (just as I was discovering WMA) I went against one kid who used a boffer similar to this one, but without crossguards. During the first couple matches I was using a katana boffer (30" blade, 10" handle) and I found that it was very hard to defeat this weapon. However, when a started using a boffer around the length of a short two-hander (38" blade, 12" handle, about the same overall length as his double-sword), I found that he was quite easy to defeat due to my range and mobility advantage. I was able to attack more easily at more angles then he could.

I think this is the main reason we don't find many (any?) historical weapons like this, because a weapon of equal length and weight but with one long blade rather then two short ones is simply far more practical.

But regardless, it was very interesting watching those matches.

Yeah, that's about how I would use the weapon. I even saw poleaxe guards and techniques! With the middle grip on any staff weapon, you can defend with one end and remain ready to attack with the other. That seemed to be his basic tactic in the video. As a side note, I'm amazed by how fast those bouts ended. I guess I'm used to somewhat more caution.

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I think this is the main reason we don't find many (any?) historical weapons like this, because a weapon of equal length and weight but with one long blade rather then two short ones is simply far more practical.

I agree. Putting two blades on a hafted weapon doesn't seem to have been worth the trouble. Butt spikes, on the other hand, appear to have been standard. They're at least highly recommended by various masters.

If there's anything that my inexperienced eyes could spot in that video, it's that the guy with the two-bladed weapon mostly used only one blade to win his bouts. I could count only one or two instances where he actually spun the weapon to use both blades. So, on the whole, the weapon is probably not the efficient self-mutilation machine I had expected it to be, but one of its blades is effectively wasted. In a real steel weapon that'd be some one or one-and-a-half pounds of steel where a much lighter pommel would have done the job just as well--not to mention that a double-bladed sword like that would lose the primary advantage of a sword, which is the facility of being carried sheathed without bothering the wearer too much!

While any version of a sword will work some of the time, the question is if is notably more efficinent than the alternatives.

Which would in this case would mainly be the Partizan. Would two sword blades on a stick, totaling 190cm, be better than ONE, at a similar length.
I would be partial to say no. While the double sword has more or less the same range as a longsword, the partizan offers significantly longer range, and greater versitality.
The partizan does not have a blade at the back, a blow with the shaft will also hurt plenty enough to bring about the end of the fight.

Sure. I agree that a historical polearm, particularly one with a rear spike, would be more effective. But that's a rather different claim. When faced with new design, historical martial artists too often dismiss it as completely useless.

By the way, this sort of thing might have some historical basis in Chinese weapons. For example, consider Heaven-Earth Sun-Moon Saber:

http://books.google.com/books?id=SBENHIwJshMC...t#PPA47,M1