Does anybody have any more photos or info on this sword or at least know what museum if is found in?
Any info would be appreciated,
thanks,
Dan
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This sword reminds me a lot of Albions Tritonia. Not just because of the pommel, the guard is strikingly similar as well. Perhaps there is some connection between these two swords? I know that doesn't really help you find what you are looking for, it's just something I thought was interesting.
Yeah, I know what you're saying. I've even done a photo-mod adding this one's hilt furniture to the tritonia.....and it looks great. That's one of the reasons I'd like to know what the rest of the sword looks like.
Dan
Dan
I can imagine it now: The Tritonia with a bronze hilt and faceted pommel. That would be a wicked looking sword!
This sword resides in the Army Museum in Paris.
Unfortunately, I cannot provide any info on the sword itself.
Frustratingly, the medieval department of the museum was closed when I was visiting Paris on a study trip. This was one of the swords I had especially looked forward to see.
I am sure there are members of this forum who has seen it in person and might even have snapshots of it.
Unfortunately, I cannot provide any info on the sword itself.
Frustratingly, the medieval department of the museum was closed when I was visiting Paris on a study trip. This was one of the swords I had especially looked forward to see.
I am sure there are members of this forum who has seen it in person and might even have snapshots of it.
Within the Invalides indeed. The sword itself is apparently type XIV, with flaring cross guard type 2. Estimated chronology is late 13th century to mid 14th century. Pommel is gilded bronze, the only similar pommel I can find is on Records under "unclassified", p.228 #21. I attach pics taken by me on summer 2006, I wasn't paying much attention to this sword, more to the two-handed and to the falchion.
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Thanks to all who responded, especially Peter and Sa'ar.
Now....to find someone close to the Army Museum who can take some closeups.........
Dan
Now....to find someone close to the Army Museum who can take some closeups.........
Dan
Hi Sa'ar,
A bit off-topic, but do you have close-ups of the daggers on the second picture?
Thanks,
Peter
A bit off-topic, but do you have close-ups of the daggers on the second picture?
Thanks,
Peter
Peter Grassmann wrote: |
Hi Sa'ar,
A bit off-topic, but do you have close-ups of the daggers on the second picture? Thanks, Peter |
Don't have close-ups, but the original photos are larger and have more details. Too large to post here, send me your email on PM.
Manoucher posted 1.2 billion photos from the museum in this thread:
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...mp;start=0
I don't think this particular case is shown, but he does have some excellent shots of daggers.
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...mp;start=0
I don't think this particular case is shown, but he does have some excellent shots of daggers.
Dan Dickinson wrote: |
Now....to find someone close to the Army Museum who can take some closeups......... |
I can probably try to do that next time I visit the museum, maybe this week-end... Gives me a good reason to re-visit all the rooms :)
And I'm close enough to the museum that the trip is not a problem :D
Hi Vincent,
If you could take a few photos of the medieval daggers there, I'd really appreciate that. :)
If you could take a few photos of the medieval daggers there, I'd really appreciate that. :)
I would really appreciate that Vincent.
Thanks,
Dan
Thanks,
Dan
Oops sorry this post eluded me.
Anyway, the grey background would indeed have suggested the Invalides. Thing is, I looked in my pictorial archives and couldn't find this one sword, I took pics of all the objects in the display stannd except that one...
Peter (Grassmann), I have pics of the daggers that I took then, if you'd like.
I had a trip there planned for last weekend, but had to cancel for personal reasons. Bah. :cry:
Peter (J) : when I get the occasion to see that sword from close, I'll let you know.
Fab
Anyway, the grey background would indeed have suggested the Invalides. Thing is, I looked in my pictorial archives and couldn't find this one sword, I took pics of all the objects in the display stannd except that one...
Peter (Grassmann), I have pics of the daggers that I took then, if you'd like.
I had a trip there planned for last weekend, but had to cancel for personal reasons. Bah. :cry:
Peter (J) : when I get the occasion to see that sword from close, I'll let you know.
Fab
Well, taking good photos in a museum is definitely something difficult for me :\
Anyway, here is the best shot I was able to get, a bit modified in an image manipulation program (I can send you the original image but I don't think it is much more helpful). On this hopefully you can see the fuller and the blade a bit better.
Unfortunately, it is difficult to shoot the sword from other angles because of the glass and the way the sword is displayed. And I wasn't sure of which part you wanted close-ups from. The photo of the guard you posted at the start of the thread is way better than what I have...
The sword is indeed a type XIV as far as I can tell. I think its overall length is around 80-90cm, but really it's difficult to measure. The grip seemed, well, neither too long nor too short :) The cross guard is indeed an Oakeshott style 2, squarish in the middle and more rounded towards the tip of the quillons. It looks quite like the cross of Albion's Knight, but without the faceted look. The fuller ends gradually at about two thirds down the blade. It also gradually fades on the tang. I don't know how usual these "fullered tangs" are? My overall impression was that of a sturdy, rather well preserved sword. It is strange because looking at the photos, the sword seems bent a little, and I did not see that in the museum...
Sorry I can't help more. I hope for you someone will be able to do something more satisfying one of these days...
Oh, and I tried to take pictures of the daggers there as well, but they are quite blurry, so I don't think they are worth the bandwidth ;) Does anyone has a sure way to obtain good pictures with weak lighting, without flash, and with the glass reflecting bright windows :cry: ?
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Anyway, here is the best shot I was able to get, a bit modified in an image manipulation program (I can send you the original image but I don't think it is much more helpful). On this hopefully you can see the fuller and the blade a bit better.
Unfortunately, it is difficult to shoot the sword from other angles because of the glass and the way the sword is displayed. And I wasn't sure of which part you wanted close-ups from. The photo of the guard you posted at the start of the thread is way better than what I have...
The sword is indeed a type XIV as far as I can tell. I think its overall length is around 80-90cm, but really it's difficult to measure. The grip seemed, well, neither too long nor too short :) The cross guard is indeed an Oakeshott style 2, squarish in the middle and more rounded towards the tip of the quillons. It looks quite like the cross of Albion's Knight, but without the faceted look. The fuller ends gradually at about two thirds down the blade. It also gradually fades on the tang. I don't know how usual these "fullered tangs" are? My overall impression was that of a sturdy, rather well preserved sword. It is strange because looking at the photos, the sword seems bent a little, and I did not see that in the museum...
Sorry I can't help more. I hope for you someone will be able to do something more satisfying one of these days...
Oh, and I tried to take pictures of the daggers there as well, but they are quite blurry, so I don't think they are worth the bandwidth ;) Does anyone has a sure way to obtain good pictures with weak lighting, without flash, and with the glass reflecting bright windows :cry: ?
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Fabrice and Vincent, thank you both for your offer to take some photos of the daggers. Fortunately, I have already got some pictures of the daggers by a nice member of the forum. Nevertheless thank you.
Peter
Peter
Thanks Vincent, I really appreciate it!
Dan
Dan
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