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Posts: 31 Location: Danzig - POLAND

Fri 21 Dec, 2007 3:37 pm

XV century Langes Messer

I have just finished XV century custom Langes Messer. Acctualy I have combined parts of hilt furniture from few originals and pictures from Hans Lecknuhner treatise. Blade is rather simple, but it is very quick indeed (~ 500 g). I'm going to add false edge and small fuller in futher projects - that will be deadly combination :cool: - now I understand why Talhoffer wrote : Here they fight with messers . God help them!

Blade length: 63 cm
Overall length: 81 cm
Weight: ~ 800 g
Blade Hardness - 53- 56 HRC

Materials: spring steel for blade, 45 steel for guard, Vernegel/Lug -reinforcing concrete bar (in Poland, this kind of steel it's better then mild steel, sometimes smiths make simple tools from it), mild steel - pommel, hilt - beech

What do you think about it?

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Tim Lison

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Posts: 1,606 Location: Chicago, Illinois

Fri 21 Dec, 2007 6:37 pm

Very nicely done. I can't wait to see future projects!!!

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Grayson C.

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Posts: 223 Location: NCF, Sarasota, FL

Fri 21 Dec, 2007 6:59 pm

Phenominal work!

Where can I find your approx. prices? Your work is truly amazing :lol:

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Joe Fults

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Posts: 3,646 Location: Midwest

Fri 21 Dec, 2007 10:36 pm

Very nice piece. I note from one of your earlier posts that its all hammer and anvil work. For some reason, and I can't explain quite why, visually the photos seem to capture that. This piece, and your others, appear to have distinct character and I'd love to see one first hand.

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Mikko Remes

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Posts: 23 Location: Finland

Sat 22 Dec, 2007 1:05 am

I'm not particulary interested in messers but this one really caught my eye. I rather like the mean and sleek looks on this one. I should think this would be a one h*ll of a cutter.

Good work

-mr

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Anders Backlund

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Posts: 629 Location: Sweden

Sat 22 Dec, 2007 7:20 am

Nice! I like the profile of the blade. :)

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Mick Czerep

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Posts: 59 Location: Poland

Sat 22 Dec, 2007 2:34 pm

I'm on waiting list already :lol:

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George Hill

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Posts: 614 Location: Atlanta Ga

Sat 22 Dec, 2007 9:44 pm

VERY NICE.

I would go for a longer cross though, as some examples, (though clearly not all) have. If you make one with a wider cross, be sure to show us some pictures.

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M. Eversberg II

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Posts: 1,435 Location: California, Maryland, USA

Sun 23 Dec, 2007 7:39 am

Fit for any man-at-arms!

M.

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Ken Speed

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Sun 23 Dec, 2007 1:15 pm

Jan,

I'd like to add a little to what Joe F. said. Your messer looks like the real deal. I can easily visualize someone buying that not because its elegant, which it is, not because its ornate, which it isn't, but because its a truly vicious man-killer of a weapon. Nothing superfluous; just neat, clean and deadly.

Have you made any other swords? I would imagine that a seax or viking sword you made would be equally intimidating.

Congratulations,

Ken Speed

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Jan Chodkiewicz

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Posts: 31 Location: Danzig - POLAND

Tue 25 Dec, 2007 2:22 pm

Joe Fults wrote:

Very nice piece. I note from one of your earlier posts that its all hammer and anvil work. For some reason, and I can't explain quite why, visually the photos seem to capture that. This piece, and your others, appear to have distinct character and I'd love to see one first hand.

Joe,

Yes, indeed, it's all hammer and anvil work, like always. Of course I use some electric hand tools too, but mostly to finish parts. Maybe hand maded things are different from CNC stock removal, becouse it's not digital perfect - like originals. Every step in process of producion contains new changes. When you draw a straight line along axis of medieval sword picture, you will see what I mean ;)
It can be also related with fact, that majority things we used are produced by factory's. We are used to "perfect" lines and shapes, and when we see handmade original or replica, we feel some kind of diference.

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Jan Chodkiewicz

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Posts: 31 Location: Danzig - POLAND

Tue 25 Dec, 2007 3:18 pm

Ken Speed wrote:

Jan,

I'd like to add a little to what Joe F. said. Your messer looks like the real deal. I can easily visualize someone buying that not because its elegant, which it is, not because its ornate, which it isn't, but because its a truly vicious man-killer of a weapon. Nothing superfluous; just neat, clean and deadly.

Have you made any other swords? I would imagine that a seax or viking sword you made would be equally intimidating.

Congratulations,

Ken Speed

Thank you Ken ;) I've just trying to achieve something similar to Old Swordsmith Works. They know their craft really well. It's marvelous, when you in fact only copy some kind of weapon, but during work, discover, how precise and deadly it can be.

Yes' I have made other swords - mostly late medival ones. Look at my website, please. Soon, I 'm going to show a few pictures of my new one handed sword (type XII) - 1130 g ;] It's closer to Viking swords, but it's still slightly different kind of blade and hilt furniture.

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