Good Morning,
I'm looking for images of leather helmets, because I would recreate one for my personal pleasure.
Thank you so much.
Gianfranco
I am not sure you are going to find much; if I recall there might be a few parade helmets from the 16th c made of leather that are highly tooled but I might be totally mistaken. There are no leather combat helmets that I have ever heard of.
There are a few 17th century examples of pikemans pots done in heavy leather, i've seen several come up at auctions, used to have a Sotheby's catalog with one, I think there several in the Tower collection as well if I recall right.
In late period (I would guess 17th to 19th century, prior to more modern sport fencing equipment), there were such things as leather fencing helmets with metal barred or perforated visors. I have previously seen a surviving antique for sale on EBay.
In the 14th and 15th century, leather (cuir bouilli) armour was used in some tournaments. There are descriptions and beautiful color illustrations of it in Rene of Anjou's "tournament book." One doing a little Googling should be able to find an acrobat download for free.
In the 14th and 15th century, leather (cuir bouilli) armour was used in some tournaments. There are descriptions and beautiful color illustrations of it in Rene of Anjou's "tournament book." One doing a little Googling should be able to find an acrobat download for free.
I'm pretty sure David Nicole speculates that some of the phrygian caps depicted in Anglo-Saxon art might have been stiff leather skullcaps. What period did you have in mind?
Gavin Kisebach wrote: |
What period did you have in mind? |
Thanks all for the answers.
I'm not thinking a definite period; I need a leather helm for playing larp, but, for make a fantasy helm, I prefer make an historical helm, so I could also use it in some re-enactement events. I found some examples for celts and celt-iberian.
Gianfranco
I cannot find the reference but I'm sure I've seen a description of HYW battle where it is noted that some of the "peasants" are wearing leather helms. Ring any bells?
-Steven
-Steven
In the Register of Edward, The Black Prince there is a mentions of 500 leather helmets for his archers. There are a few other little leather bits in other parts as well. In one inventory there are leather vambraces.
Really leather does not appear in inventories or orders very often so I hvae wondered how common it really could have been. AS well you'd think it would have made it into artwork which it may perhaps be if you allow some of the pieces that look to be metal to be of leather.
RPM
Really leather does not appear in inventories or orders very often so I hvae wondered how common it really could have been. AS well you'd think it would have made it into artwork which it may perhaps be if you allow some of the pieces that look to be metal to be of leather.
RPM
Thanks Randall.
Any suggestions on what they looked like? Would it be safe to assume that they looked like other contemporary helms?
Thanks,
-Steven
Any suggestions on what they looked like? Would it be safe to assume that they looked like other contemporary helms?
Thanks,
-Steven
I found this image of a supposed leather helm from the Osprey Men At Arm 376 - Italian medieval Armies 1000 - 1300.
Note: for the Italian law is possible report an image from a book if the title of the book is indicated; I don't now if this is possible in US; if not please delete the link. http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4500/elmova8.jpg
Gianfranco
Note: for the Italian law is possible report an image from a book if the title of the book is indicated; I don't now if this is possible in US; if not please delete the link. http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4500/elmova8.jpg
Gianfranco
No idea what copy right is in regards to this in the US...
Steven,
I do not know of any remaining leather helmets from the period and accounts rarely describe the helmets enough to fully know what they look like. My guess would be skull cap like leather helmets but that is my guess.
RPM
Steven,
I do not know of any remaining leather helmets from the period and accounts rarely describe the helmets enough to fully know what they look like. My guess would be skull cap like leather helmets but that is my guess.
RPM
Randall Moffett wrote: |
I do not know of any remaining leather helmets from the period and accounts rarely describe the helmets enough to fully know what they look like. My guess would be skull cap like leather helmets but that is my guess.
RPM |
Hi Randall.....How are you old chap ? In our quest to help Gianfranco, I must admit I find this topic suprisingly interresting.... In a world of over supplied repro-Churburg bascinets and standard great helms, its good to ponder the more humble headware. I am sure I have seen leather helms in period artwork ! Alas, finding them is quite another matter. What I did find in my own files is another type of soft-helm, the rope helm ! Not wishing to digress from this topic, on the other hand I am sure they would have been made of similar shape, yes ? In fact I have three pics of rope helms but I think they are from the same source but they are certinally not shown on the heads of peasant-soldiers but rather otherwise fully armoured knights. It may well be that they in fact were worn under the helms for padding ? Perhaps they are not even 'rope' but a kind of woven fabric ? ( I do know that they had rope rope helms at sometime though)
Very interresting about the leather helms for the B.Princes' archers !
I also have a pic of an original 15thC. sallet made of Straw and highly decorated !! Why would they do that ? ....well, as my learned friend said.... " What we often forget is that they used to dress up to go to war....like a tournament, they would see it as an opportunity to show off their best gear to impress ! "
I am sure the owner didnt ware it in combat, but it must have gotten plenty of attention around the camp !
Your thoughts, as always, would be appreciated.
Cheers,
Merv
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Hi!
If im not mistaken, than ancient greeks used leather helmets.
Theare are some lines about it in "ilias" or "odysseia"
If i recall the helmet was leather and protected from outside with wild boar teeth. Some woolen thing was inside.
I read it fom a book if you want than i can find that book and traslate was was said about it...
If im not mistaken, than ancient greeks used leather helmets.
Theare are some lines about it in "ilias" or "odysseia"
If i recall the helmet was leather and protected from outside with wild boar teeth. Some woolen thing was inside.
I read it fom a book if you want than i can find that book and traslate was was said about it...
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