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Chad Arnow
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Posts: 9,557 Location: Dayton, OH
Thu 05 Jul, 2007 7:33 am
Surviving examples of transitional great helms
Are there surviving examples of those masked helms that will in between conical Norman helms and true great helms? We see them in 12th and 13th century art, but I can't recall any surviving examples.

Anyone know of any?

Thanks!
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Randall Moffett
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Posts: 2,121 Location: Northern Utah
Thu 05 Jul, 2007 8:47 am
I think we base them on only artwork really. There are some eastern european helmets with face plates but most are much later. I have never heard of a remaining one though.

sorry,

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Bruno Giordan
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Thu 05 Jul, 2007 2:57 pm
Re: Surviving examples of transitional great helms
Chad Arnow wrote:
Are there surviving examples of those masked helms that will in between conical Norman helms and true great helms? We see them in 12th and 13th century art, but I can't recall any surviving examples.

Anyone know of any?

Thanks!


I wish there were some ...


We can put hope in an archeological find or in a new Chalcis hoard ... from the XII century.
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Steven H
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Posts: 545 Location: Boston
Thu 05 Jul, 2007 3:51 pm
Anyone have some examples from the art? Now that I'm looking for one I can't seem to find them.

Thanks.
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Chad Arnow
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Posts: 9,557 Location: Dayton, OH
Thu 05 Jul, 2007 8:07 pm
Steven H wrote:
Anyone have some examples from the art? Now that I'm looking for one I can't seem to find them.

Thanks.


Here's one, from our Spotlight Article on Oakeshott's Type XII:

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This appears to be one:

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(from: http://www.angelfire.com/wy/svenskildbiter/ar...chelm.html)

There are a lot more out there, too.
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Damien Pinel
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Fri 06 Jul, 2007 4:26 pm
Steven H wrote:
Anyone have some examples from the art? Now that I'm looking for one I can't seem to find them.

Thanks.


Here: http://jmebert.free.fr/Fiches/Fiche_H2.htm

A very talented french armor maker makes them. It is his website.
There are many examples of this type of transition helmets on period seals. You should look that way.
This is a very important period, the half faced helmet, which were rare through the end of the XIIth century, start to be very appreciated, and they are protecting the face, and then the ears, and then the back of the head.
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Bruno Giordan
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Fri 06 Jul, 2007 11:57 pm
From the famous Charlemagne reliquiary

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Randall Moffett
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Posts: 2,121 Location: Northern Utah
Sat 07 Jul, 2007 12:22 pm
Here is another for you of a seal. The full info in on the British Museum online.

http://www.thebritishmuseum.ac.uk/explore/hig...page=23096

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