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Tue 01 May, 2007 9:31 am
Serious sweetness! Can you tell me more about the spear with hook? Approximate date, region? Is the hook part of the spearhead or a separate item riveted on?
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Tue 01 May, 2007 9:35 am
| Michael S. Rivet wrote: |
| Serious sweetness! Can you tell me more about the spear with hook? Approximate date, region? Is the hook part of the spearhead or a separate item riveted on? |
That's something special, huh? It's probably Italian, late 15th c. The haft is modern. The hook also serves as a rivet, with that massive, pyramidal peen block. Note the spear's very thick tip.
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Edit: I added a close view of the spear tip, a sharper view of the hook and another angle on the proto-mort that shows new details, including pommel decoration.
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Tue 01 May, 2007 10:49 am
I used the term "peen block" with reference to the spear's hook, but that may not be accurate. I can't tell if the head was created first, the shaft passed through the the socket and then spread, shaped and bent, or if the hook was created, passed through the socket "head" first and the head then peened.
Posts: 5,981 Location: Birmingham, Alabama
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Posts: 305 Location: Maine USA
Tue 01 May, 2007 4:36 pm
That is the coolest katzbalger I have ever seen! I have never been a huge fan, but that one stands out. Be nice to see a talented smith reproduce that piece.
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Tue 01 May, 2007 4:52 pm
Great stuff, I was just recently at the Frazier and was very impressed with their collection, as well a the living history demonstrations by the reenactors there.
Posts: 551 Location: flagstaff,arizona
Tue 01 May, 2007 5:54 pm
Fantastic pictures, thank you for sharing. The hilts shots are great!
Posts: 1,001 Location: Roanoke,Va
Tue 01 May, 2007 5:59 pm
Sean,
Thanks for posting pics of the mortuary & the early proto-mort......you know me....like a moth to the flame.......
Cheers,
Bill
Posts: 551 Location: flagstaff,arizona
Tue 01 May, 2007 7:35 pm
Is the pommel on the proto-mort typical? It seems a little odd.
Posts: 967 Location: Michigan
Tue 01 May, 2007 10:17 pm
| Sean Flynt wrote: |
| I used the term "peen block" with reference to the spear's hook, but that may not be accurate. I can't tell if the head was created first, the shaft passed through the the socket and then spread, shaped and bent, or if the hook was created, passed through the socket "head" first and the head then peened. |
Hmmm...interesting question.....I suppose the hook could have been formed cold...though I'd lean toward hot judging by its diameter...in which case it almost definitely would have been created first as already having it mounted through the socket and then putting it in the forge would be not be good for the shaft at all ;)
Dan
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Wed 02 May, 2007 6:33 am
| Justin King wrote: |
| Is the pommel on the proto-mort typical? It seems a little odd. |
I haven't seen many of these, but they do seem to have been common. My guess is that we don't see them on display much because they're so crudely made and finished. The one shown below is in the Tower of London and is of similar form. Some early 17th c. Scottish basket hilts have discoidal pommels, albeit more refined versions, so there may be some connection there.
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Posts: 1,001 Location: Roanoke,Va
Wed 02 May, 2007 9:49 am
Agree with Sean, as to most proto-morts were of munition grade, so not alot of detail went into them.
Bill
Posts: 386 Location: Agder, Norway
Wed 09 May, 2007 11:35 am
Sean,
It's allways a treat to see pictures from museums, and especially when one get to see the details. The basket hilt, the morts and the Dussag are very interesting.
The inlayed silver on the English basket hilt is a very nice detail. I've only seen pictures of a few other baskets with this feature, but not quite like that one. Did you get to see how the front bar (main knuckle guard) was decorated?
Cheers,
Henrik
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