Hello people.

Take a look to the armors i´ve found, What kind of armor are? Isn´t that skirt and old fashioned one for the armour?

http://www.sl-armours.com/eng/showpic/mode,2/...mours.html

http://www.sl-armours.com/eng/showpic/mode,2/...mours.html

http://www.sl-armours.com/eng/showpic/mode,2/...mours.html

Thanks.

I saw a couple (several, actually) suits in the National Armoury in Madrid that were made with actual metal skirts. I understand these to be tournament harnesses of some sort, but no doubt others can add to that. I think that this cloth "skirt" may have been a decorative covering that went over or under this metal skirt - a tonlet?. Here's a picture of the type of suit I'm talking about:



Essentially, I can't say for certain, but I speculate that it has something to do with those funny metal skirts. Of course, I may be totally wrong.

Old-fashioned? Maybe, but if you take a look at the Features article on Sir George Clifford then they won't look all that outdated. Anyway, is there any information about the material of the "skirt?" If it's leather, it might just have been the lower part of a very heavily-decorated buff coat.

The "skirt" on Michael's picture, though, is definitely a tonlet and doesn't seem to be related to the three you've posted.

No info about materials, but, Were buff-coats used just like skirted surcoats of the Gendarmes? Did Gendarmes continued with the tradition of the surcoat, bases, wathever?


Thanks.

I'm afraid not. Buffcoats were meant to be worn inside metal armor, not outside like a surcoat/jupon/lentner/whatever. It is also a complete garment, sometimes even equipped with sleeves--so definitely not just "skirts" like bases or waffenrocks. Covering garments seem to have lost much of their popularity, being ground under the new trends of alwhyt and blacked/blued armor, but this doesn't necessarily rule out the presence of a man-at-arms or two who stuck to the old traditions (or sought to revive them). It's worth noting that Louis XIV's pageants included some armored horsemen with flamboyant cloth skirts, though these were parade/tournament wear rather than field combat gear.

Could those armour be a curator´s mistake?Since the previously shown armours look like second half of the XVI century while, if i´m not wrong, tho following ones are from early XVII century.

http://www.sl-armours.com/eng/showpic/mode,2/...mours.html

http://www.sl-armours.com/eng/showpic/mode,2/...mours.html

http://www.sl-armours.com/eng/showpic/mode,2/...mours.html

http://www.sl-armours.com/eng/showpic/mode,2/...mours.html

http://www.sl-armours.com/eng/showpic/mode,2/...mours.html

http://www.sl-armours.com/eng/showpic/mode,2/...mours.html

A mounted version of those armours:
http://www.sl-armours.com/eng/showpic/mode,2/...mours.html

I've seen those kind of skirts on illustrations of maximilian cavalry. They seemed to have been fashionable back then.

If you check out contemporary paintings of the Battle of Pavia (1525) you'll see that many of the French men-at-arms wore similar 'skirts' with their armour.

Given that French, English, Spanish and Dutch gendarmes, demi-lancers and even some harquebusiers wore cassocks over their armours in the 1560-1600 period I'm not sure one can say that use of a covering garment on top of the armour fell out of use. Indeed they can be said to be an early form of uniform given that each company or cornet was supposed to wear the same colours. (And the cassocks were often purchased and issued in bulk by the commander)
The Germans seem to have been the exception to the rule but their use of black-and-white or all-black armour gave them a distinctive look from the start.

Regards
Daniel

maybe it's a lady's armour =D
lol, just kidding =P

I contacted the administrator of the site and he told me that those armours were from Dresden Museum, Germany, nothing more. I hope this can bring some light.

I was at the Royal Armouries in the Tower of London yesterday, when i came across this reproduction of a painting showing a meeting between Henry VIII and Maximillian I at Therouanne. I f you look at the men-at-arms behind henry and Maximillian, you'll see that many of them have similar cloth skirts under their armour.

Click on the thumbnails please:

Those are wonderful images Mr. Gaballa, thank you very much.
Are those Germans wearing Gothic harness?

Anyway, do you know if there is any image or darwing made during that period showing Gendarmes wearing Maximilian fluted armours with their skirts?

Thanks.