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Manouchehr M.
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Posted: Mon 01 Jan, 2007 7:08 am Post subject: |
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J. Bedell wrote: | Manouchehr,
Thanks for posting all of those photos!
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You are very welcome James. It is a pleasure to share these pictures. Look ath the following swords from 1500-1600. These are very beautiful as well.
Kind regards
Manouchehr
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Posted: Mon 01 Jan, 2007 8:07 am Post subject: |
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Manouchehr - please accept my thanks, as well, for your wonderful pictures. One thing that strikes me about the photos is that the Musée de l'Armée seems to give some pieces nice, individual displays. Other pieces, however, like the swords from 1500-1600, posted above, are all pushed together such that it is difficult to see much detail in any individual sword. I wonder, how large is the museum? I have the impression that they are short of space.
"...dismount thy tuck, be yare in thy preparation, for thy assailant is quick, skilful, and deadly."
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Posted: Mon 01 Jan, 2007 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Steve Grisetti wrote: | Manouchehr - please accept my thanks, as well, for your wonderful pictures. One thing that strikes me about the photos is that the Musée de l'Armée seems to give some pieces nice, individual displays. Other pieces, however, like the swords from 1500-1600, posted above, are all pushed together such that it is difficult to see much detail in any individual sword. I wonder, how large is the museum? I have the impression that they are short of space. |
You are welcome Steve. Actually, they are one of the biggest museums around teh world. They have thousands of pieces of arms and armor , really a lot. This time I was ina hurry and could not take as many pictures as I wished too, but next time I will take more pictures for sure. I think that they put the swords of the kings in one showcase and the rest together.
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Manouchehr
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Posted: Mon 01 Jan, 2007 11:29 am Post subject: |
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Manouchehr;
Again, many thanks for posting more pictures! It is very much appreciated, and food for thought and discussion.
Interesting how the museum staff listed the center armour as a "lansquenet demi-armour" when it looks to me that it quite obviously has a lance arrêt fixed to the breastplate!
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I should think that they would have called it a chevaux-lèger armour instead. Interesting!
Thank you again!
Allons!
Gordon
"After God, we owe our victory to our Horses"
Gonsalo Jimenez de Quesada
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Manouchehr M.
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Posted: Mon 01 Jan, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Gordon Frye wrote: | Manouchehr;
Again, many thanks for posting more pictures! It is very much appreciated, and food for thought and discussion.
Interesting how the museum staff listed the center armour as a "lansquenet demi-armour" when it looks to me that it quite obviously has a lance arrêt fixed to the breastplate!
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I should think that they would have called it a chevaux-lèger armour instead. Interesting!
Thank you again!
Allons!
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Gordon
You are very welcome my friend. Thank you very much for your clarification. I really appreciate it. Could you please explain these types more in detail to me? Thanks.
Kind regards
Manouchehr
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Manouchehr M.
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Posted: Mon 01 Jan, 2007 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Nathan Robinson wrote: | Manouchehr M. wrote: | I do not know why the last picture does not show :-( |
It does show. It simply shows as a link rather than an in-line photo because of its size. This is described in our help page. |
Thank you Nathan for the clarification.
Kind regards
Manouchehr
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Gordon Frye
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Posted: Mon 01 Jan, 2007 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Manouchehr M. wrote: |
Gordon
You are very welcome my friend. Thank you very much for your clarification. I really appreciate it. Could you please explain these types more in detail to me? Thanks.
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Manouchehr |
Certainly. The two flanking armours look very much to be the standard "corselets" or Infantry type armours of the mid-16th Century as used in Western Europe, and popularly used by the German mercenary Infantry, the Lansknechts. (In French, "lansquenets" These armours could also be used by many species of light Cavalry as well without difficulty so often there is a challenge in deciding if one of these armours is for either Infantry or Cavalry. However, the one in the center, with the little hook hanging down from the right side of the breastplate, is indicitive of the use of a lance, and a fairly heavy one at that. The hook is called an arrêt, or "arrest", though often wrongly refered to as a "Lance Rest". It was designed more to stop the rearward movement of the lance when it contacted the target rather than as a rest for holding the weight of the lance, thus the difference in the names given. As the armour is still fairly light (rather than being head-to-toe, with a close helmet) my suspicion that it was for a chevaux-lèger. They were officially "Light Cavalry" but only in comparison with the Gendarmerie, which was VERY heavy Cavalry, and accoutred very much as your picture of Louis XIII shows.
Very interesting picture of the Turkish Heavy Cavalry armour too, which looks as though it would stand up well to the standard barrage of arrows as used in Eastern combat, and rather akin to the old cataphract armours of the Persians, no? Thank you! This is an area in which my ignorance starts to show, so help here is appreciated...
Allons!
Gordon
Gordon
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Posted: Mon 01 Jan, 2007 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Gordon Frye wrote: | Manouchehr M. wrote: |
Gordon
You are very welcome my friend. Thank you very much for your clarification. I really appreciate it. Could you please explain these types more in detail to me? Thanks.
Kind regards
Manouchehr |
Certainly. The two flanking armours look very much to be the standard "corselets" or Infantry type armours of the mid-16th Century as used in Western Europe, and popularly used by the German mercenary Infantry, the Lansknechts. (In French, "lansquenets" These armours could also be used by many species of light Cavalry as well without difficulty so often there is a challenge in deciding if one of these armours is for either Infantry or Cavalry. However, the one in the center, with the little hook hanging down from the right side of the breastplate, is indicitive of the use of a lance, and a fairly heavy one at that. The hook is called an arrêt, or "arrest", though often wrongly refered to as a "Lance Rest". It was designed more to stop the rearward movement of the lance when it contacted the target rather than as a rest for holding the weight of the lance, thus the difference in the names given. As the armour is still fairly light (rather than being head-to-toe, with a close helmet) my suspicion that it was for a chevaux-lèger. They were officially "Light Cavalry" but only in comparison with the Gendarmerie, which was VERY heavy Cavalry, and accoutred very much as your picture of Louis XIII shows.
Very interesting picture of the Turkish Heavy Cavalry armour too, which looks as though it would stand up well to the standard barrage of arrows as used in Eastern combat, and rather akin to the old cataphract armours of the Persians, no? Thank you! This is an area in which my ignorance starts to show, so help here is appreciated...
Allons!
Gordon
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THank you very much Gordon. I really appreciate your help. Look at this Turkish armor please.
KInd regards
Manouchehr
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Posted: Mon 01 Jan, 2007 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Manouchehr;
Very nifty armours indeed! What is most interesting is how the Russians seem to have adopted the Turkish-style helmets, or at least the artist who painted "The Battle of Orsha" seems to have thought so:
http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/AudioVisual/Orsha.1.jpg
I looks as though that the style was quite popular in the early 16th Century. It's certainly good looking, and I would love to have a nice burgonet with that spiral treatment to the skull.
Thank you again for posting the marvelous photographs.
Cheers!
Gordon
"After God, we owe our victory to our Horses"
Gonsalo Jimenez de Quesada
http://www.renaissancesoldier.com/
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Posted: Tue 02 Jan, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Great to see you here Manouchehr, and thanks for sharing your wonderful photos.
You wouldn't happen to have a close-up of the helmet on the Turkish equestrian armour, would you?
BTW, I also found the helmet of Sultan Bayazid fascinating as it seems to be a hybrid of the Iranian-type "Turban helmets" and the Turkish style 'chichak', do you have any other pictures of it?
Gordon, we had a thread on Russian armour a few months ago:
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=8516&highlight=
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Manouchehr M.
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Posted: Tue 02 Jan, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Hisham Gaballa wrote: | Great to see you here Manouchehr, and thanks for sharing your wonderful photos.
You wouldn't happen to have a close-up of the helmet on the Turkish equestrian armour, would you?
BTW, I also found the helmet of Sultan Bayazid fascinating as it seems to be a hybrid of the Iranian-type "Turban helmets" and the Turkish style 'chichak', do you have any other pictures of it?
Gordon, we had a thread on Russian armour a few months ago:
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=8516&highlight= |
Hi HIsham,
Thank you for your kind words. Unfortunately, I do not have any other pictures, but next time I will take many pictures when I am in Paris for sure.
Kind regards
Manouchehr
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