This is my first post so forgive me any mistakes and bad english :\
I need Yours opinion about dating of the helmet classified as Italian basinet.Do you have any other pictures of this type?
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If it's the top one, then it looks like a visored barbute or something. Strange.
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Michal Plezia wrote: |
This helm is not e barbute for me-it has different shape of the top of the bell.Only the the face part is barbute-like.
Thanks for reply. ;) So you think that it is 14th century helmet?I was thinking about 1420-1430 period.... |
Michal Plezia wrote: |
Yes 15th century.But which decade?1400-20 or 1420-50? |
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Firstly, (ignoring the pointed bowl, which is in the same family as the St. Mary Chapel sallet in Coventry) the form of the skull bulge and tail, which do not occur in a 14th century context. Secondly, the shape neither allows for the ubiquitous camail and verveles of a 14th century bascinet, nor does it have mounting points for such. Thirdly, 14th century bascinets do not normally have rolled edges, and this clearly does. Fourthly, barbutes of 'corinthian' form all consistantly date between 1440 - 1460, Fithly, it is attributed to Missaglia - even if the mark is a historic forgery (as was occassionaly done to pieces to sell them for more value - sallets with 'a touch of Meylan' were regularly listed as being of more intrinsic worth in English inventories), it is a mark that did not exist until the 15th century. Sixthly, the visor is clearly of a 'frogface' form, which did not develop until the mid 15th century in a lifting visor.
It makes a very strong case all together for dating the piece in a mid 15th century context, assuming it is genuine. (the more I look at it closely, the more inclined I am to think it is, albeit unique). |
Nathan Robinson wrote: |
Here is a helm that is not the same, but might share some of the same characteristics. It's of Venetian-style, early 15th century. It is said to derive from the barbuta but closed like the elmetto. It was discovered in the Greek castle of Chalcis and bears the marks P and N, made by two craftsmen, probably from Milan. |