Nathan Robinson wrote: |
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*squints* Is that first one as backsword?
Nathan Robinson wrote: |
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Sean Flynt wrote: |
It is! Very interesting, but possibly not original. |
Nathan Robinson wrote: |
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A Fine German Hand-and-a-Half Sword, circa 1530 Note the "back of the hand" protection Copyright Hessink's Auction House |
Evan G. wrote: |
Do you happen to have any information as to where that particular sword (or one of that style) may reside now? That's seriously one of the best looking swords I've ever seen. I especially like the back-of-the-hand guard, I don't think I've seen that before, and the complex hilt is really well done. |
Roger Hooper wrote: |
Here are a few more late bastards - photos from the Wallace Collection. I really like A492. |
Nathan Robinson wrote: |
I also like the A492 sword as well! I'd like to see a replica made of it. It's fantastic. |
Michael R. Black wrote: |
So, is there a consensus as to whether the first sword in this thread is a seventeen or a nineteen in type? I ask because I started a thread some time ago asking for examples of complex hilted type seventeen swords, and this sword from the V and A came up. However, the opinion at that time was it is probably a nineteen.
I had a chance to take a look in person when visiting London in September of last year, and the mid-section looked flatter to me than say, my replica Albion type 17. On the other hand the edges taper more acutely toward the point than I believe most type 19 sword would. Any opinions? Michael |
Michael R. Black wrote: |
So, is there a consensus as to whether the first sword in this thread is a seventeen or a nineteen in type? I ask because I started a thread some time ago asking for examples of complex hilted type seventeen swords, and this sword from the V and A came up. However, the opinion at that time was it is probably a nineteen.
I had a chance to take a look in person when visiting London in September of last year, and the mid-section looked flatter to me than say, my replica Albion type 17. On the other hand the edges taper more acutely toward the point than I believe most type 19 sword would. Any opinions? Michael |
I wrote: |
Blades on swords of this type, which were popular between 1355 and 1425, often possess a fuller in their upper third, though this is not a defining feature of the type. These blades can be slender and, in Oakeshott's words, "reminiscent of 16th century rapier blades" or they can be wider at the base, similar to other types of swords. No matter the width, they taper to an acute point. |
Chad Arnow wrote: |
It's easy to say it looks an awful lot like a Type XVII, except that it postdates the family by at least 3/4 of a century. Much of the Type XVII's fall into one of two families in terms of hilting (see Albion's Sempach and Landgraf as examples of the two). So it fits neither the normal dating for the blade type nor the most common hiltings. It also falls after the period Oakeshott's entire system focuses on. So call it a XVII if you want, understanding you're applying a label that didn't exist in period and also a label meant to describe earlier swords. |
Eric W. Norenberg wrote: |
Hi Chad, I'm going to respectfully (and cautiously, I know who wrote that feature article on the Oakeshott type XVII!) disagree with your thoughts on confining the Oakeshott typology to the medieval period - my layman's understanding was that the typology ended such that it did not cover developments that came after the post-medieval period (therefore no direct application to rapier and saber -type blades, nothing with parrying hooks, etc), but that, as an artificial (not used in period) construct intended to facilitate study and discussion, it ought to be valid for use on any blade that seems to fit the typology, regardless of date. The type XIX is a good example of this, its use ranging from the late 14th well into the 16th century (which might be post-medieval, depending on who you ask!), hilted to fit the form and function of the day. |
Nathan Robinson wrote: |
Frankly, I'm in love with the first one in this topic:
I'd really enjoy seeing this recreated. |
Nat Lamb wrote: |
I have a far less experienced eye than other round these parts, but that sword (esp the hilt) looks very similar to the concept artwork for the "Hauptmann" sword on Albion's website. Certainly is a sweet looking combination. |