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PostPosted: Mon 19 Feb, 2007 12:00 am    Post subject: Feb 19: myArmoury.com news and updates         Reply with quote

Today's update:


Spotlight: Combination Weapons

An article by Chad Arnow


CAS Iberia / Hanwei Combination Rapier

A hands-on review by Bill Grandy


CAS Iberia / Hanwei Trident Main Gauche

A hands-on review by Bill Grandy


CAS Iberia / Hanwei Combination Rapier

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CAS Iberia / Hanwei Trident Main Gauche

Added to Bill's Collection


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PostPosted: Mon 19 Feb, 2007 12:19 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This is so unusual and amazing ! Thanks a lot for this great update !

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Feb, 2007 2:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This is a great update !
I realy like the article on Combination Weapons !
and weapon reviews are always welcome.

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Feb, 2007 6:57 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

We figured this would be a spotlight that many people would find entertaining. Happy I'm glad people like it.

I believe this is also the most image-intense article we've done. My hat's off to Nathan once again.

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Feb, 2007 8:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Great update gents! On the whole, combo weapons aren't discussed very much nowadays, probably because their practicality in a combat situation often comes into question; I think Bill touched on this in his review of the trident main gauche.

I actually own one of these, though I have since loaned it to my best friend who re-did the grip so that it's all steel wire (no brass). I think it looks nicer this way and better matches my Windlass swept hilt rapier. You're right, Bill, it is a fun little piece. Mine is displayed on my wall with the arms open. "What the heck is that?!" people often ask when they see it. Big Grin

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Feb, 2007 10:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Very good articles and some fascinating combination weapons that I haven't seen before. Cool ( A few I've seen before but it's rare that I see things that I haven't seen before in my reference books: Many books seem to use the same museum pieces as illustrations even when they were written decades apart by different authors i.e. there seems to be a lack of new searches for less well know pics when books are put together as the same old images are recycled a lot ) .

Anyway, some effort has been applied here to find less well known weapons. Cool

Oh, by the way " main gauche " is French for left hand in everyday conversation but is an established term for these parrying daggers at least from the 19th century on: In period I don't know if they were called this in French.

In any case the maker decided to use the French name for the " exotic " appeal I'm guessing Question But I don't think there was a regional variant of the left hand dagger that would merit the specific use of French to distinguish it from the same type of daggers from other regions.

Nice articles from Bill also but if these types of combination weapons worked well in period would depend on the construction being sturdy enough to take a solid hit ! ( Well, mostly talking of the parrying dagger. )

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Feb, 2007 10:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
I believe this is also the most image-intense article we've done.

It might just be. It's sure up there, at least. There are 75 separate photos with two versions each (full-sized and thumbnail) making for 150 separate images needing completed.

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Feb, 2007 11:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jean,
I'm glad you enjoyed the variety. It was challenging to track down as many good examples as we could find. Most of the publications with combination weapons in them are out of print and/or were short printing runs. The huge German Kombinationswaffen book is the single best source. Much of the sources section consists of rare/OOP books. It's probably one of our more expensive Source sections. Happy

I highly recommend Kombinationswaffen. It's eye candy to the extreme. If you read/speak German, you'll like it even more.

The Robert Held-edited Arms and Armor Annual also had a few examples, including that main gauche-pistol combination. It also has a few other great articles. I've used it as a source in a couple of different articles so far. It's cheap, too. Happy

I think combination weapons are under-studied. I know their martial usability is debatable, but their sheer wow-factor is undeniable. They are a testament to the creativity of humankind.

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Feb, 2007 11:58 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Arnow wrote:
I think combination weapons are under-studied. I know their martial usability is debatable, but their sheer wow-factor is undeniable. They are a testament to the creativity of humankind.


I keep wanting to invent my own like having a goedengad on one end and a Handgonne on the other end: Never done historically but might have been a viable weapons system. Laughing Out Loud

But that would be for an off-topic Topic all its' own. Wink

Mostly these specialised weapons are either too expensive for general mass use, too fragile to be good designs or need too much time and concentration in the middle of a fight to switch to the secondary or thierciary weapon function.

One could add bulky or heavy or with the firearm combinations the small size / calibre of the firearm component being to weak to be an effective stopper: Small calibers .32 or smaller with round ball out of short barrels don't have much power and most of the manageable combination weapons would have to use fairly small calibres: I don't see a Rapier pistol combination using a .75 calibre barrel and still being usable as a good handling rapier ?

Anyway, as you said debatable ! And that is just what I am doing: Just bringing up some arguments for arguments sake and maybe some designs where very good in theory but never became a standard weapon system like the musket and bayonet which I think should be included as maybe the only combination weapon that was general issue !?

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Jean,
Your mention of bayonets reminds me that another widely used combination weapon--if one considers it such--is the sword or saber bayonet. I do not know the frequency of this bayonet's use as a sword, but 19th century armies certainly produced them in high numbers. To remain closer to periods in which edged weapons enjoyed wider use, the plug bayonet is an example of an early combination weapon: dagger and bayonet. Perhaps combination is the wrong term for these as they did not necessarily have a separate mechanism for the secondary use. Maybe they are more multi-purpose?

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Feb, 2007 8:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A fascinating update, thank you to those involved.

I do have one question for Bill Grandy regarding the Combination Rapier. I was wondering if the rapier handles significantly differently with and without the dagger in place, and if so, which do you prefer?

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Feb, 2007 6:24 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

D. Bell wrote:
A fascinating update, thank you to those involved.

I do have one question for Bill Grandy regarding the Combination Rapier. I was wondering if the rapier handles significantly differently with and without the dagger in place, and if so, which do you prefer?


You know, I'm surprised at myself for not covering that. That's a good question. Happy It handles much better without the dagger in place. In fact, that's what all of my comments are based on: The dagger being out. If the dagger is still in the sword, there is a lot of weight in the hilt, making the tip want to move around too much. It's not a huge difference, but it definately is a noticable one.

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