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PostPosted: Tue 23 May, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject: Am I too picky ?         Reply with quote

I wanted to get everyone's opinion. Am I hypercritical in wanting the lines of the nose guard to line up with lines of the helm ?

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PostPosted: Tue 23 May, 2006 7:58 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Well, it is seemingly out of line with the rest of the helm. I guess if it lines up with your face it won't matter. That's what would bother me. Unless I wanted a well used look in my portrayal...
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PostPosted: Tue 23 May, 2006 8:23 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Depends on how much you paid. Happy

If it was inexpensive and it still lines up with your nose, I wouldn't worry about it. There's plenty of original helmets that are not perfectly symmetrical.

On the other hand, if you paid a lot, and you're not happy with it being off center, then that's a different story.

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PostPosted: Tue 23 May, 2006 8:59 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That would bother me everytime I looked at it even if it did fit me fine. . . of course I've been told that I can be hypercritical sometimes! Actually I've been told that by the person who posted right before me and you can read his view on the subject.

Actually now that I look at the pic some more it's not the nose guard that bothers me so much as the ridged line down the center of the helm. The raised part between the rivets isn't centered. Hows that for hypercritial? Eek!


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PostPosted: Tue 23 May, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

My nose is crooked enough I probably would not even notice with it on.
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PostPosted: Tue 23 May, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It doesn't bug me that much. It looks a bit like a munitions-grade helm, in which case I think it looks right in an odd way. But as Bill said, if you're not happy then contact the maker/distributor, especially if it's at a high price point.
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PostPosted: Tue 23 May, 2006 9:21 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jason Elrod wrote:
Actually I've been told that by the person who posted right before me and you can read his view on the subject.


Eh, I've called you worse. You just were too busy being hypercritical to pay attention. Happy

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PostPosted: Tue 23 May, 2006 9:24 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Bill Grandy wrote:
Jason Elrod wrote:
Actually I've been told that by the person who posted right before me and you can read his view on the subject.


Eh, I've called you worse. You just were too busy being hypercritical to pay attention. Happy


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PostPosted: Tue 23 May, 2006 9:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

As some of the others mentioned, I would consider it to be an acceptable and serviceable helm as long as the nasal lined up properly with your face. For me, that would be the make-or-break, so to speak.

Even though the ridge line slants and runs closer on one side, it does seem to line up with the top of the nasal and I think that kind of ties it together. If the ridge line was off, then it would really magnify the misalignment.

A side note; you may want to put a little pressure on the nasal to check and ensure that the steel is not too soft. I'd had that problem with a similar helmet I'd bought several years ago.

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PostPosted: Wed 24 May, 2006 4:01 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

as an armourer it bugs me. if you got it cheaply then it doesnt.

ya and i got a crooked nose so it might fit me ahhaha
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PostPosted: Wed 24 May, 2006 5:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Styles in clothing and fashion come and go, and armor often followed fashion. Perhaps there was a short period when Spangenhelms were worn 'cocked' to one side like a 20th century foraging cap. On the right man, this helm might just look tough and scrappy. But it would not sit well at all on a properly groomed and otherwise well dressed man at arms. Its maker probably would not use it as a salesman's sample.
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PostPosted: Wed 24 May, 2006 5:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It would annoy me continuously, I wouldn't ever be able to look at it happily. This may be unreasonable on my part, given what the others have said. I may be placing an unhistorical emphasis on symmetry, but if I'm paying I'll worry about whatever I like. Whether the lattter is then reasonable to the vendor depends, I suppose, on whether the items which attracted you to purchase this in the first place were all represented as symmetrical or not. If yes, then you may have been given false expectations and be justified in asking for recompense. If, on the other hand, they made a sale on the basis of showing you a variety of items where symmetry was obviously not their driving concern, then you probably got a fair deal.
Thanks for showing the example. it will definitely make me more cautious when considering purchases of anything similar.
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PostPosted: Wed 24 May, 2006 7:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes, but if someone offered you an identical one that was well lined up wouldn't you dump the first one if you could exchange it for the O.K. one. Razz Laughing Out Loud

The whole historical fact that symmetry wasn't a high priority can be valid at times, and a close copy of something that was a bit " off " might be acceptable or even desirable: " Oh, NO ! You straitened the nasal of the UNPRONOUNCEABLE BIBLE helm I asked you to make " Sad Eek! Laughing Out Loud

As I am normally a bit OCD about a crooked picture frame this kind of stuff would drive ME crazy every time I looked at it. Wink

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PostPosted: Wed 24 May, 2006 7:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Try tapping it with a mallet--hard enough to push it slightly more in-line but not hard enough to noticeably deform it.
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PostPosted: Wed 24 May, 2006 7:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Simple answer, Art. No, you are not being too picky. That assymetry would drive me nuts.
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PostPosted: Wed 24 May, 2006 8:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You can smack the nasal around some but it is actually pretty close to centered, the problem is that the bowel frame is installed in the brow strap cocked to the right( right looking at the picture). If you look at the set of rivets above the brow strap on the right side and then on the left side the distance between is shorter on the right and the helm "leans" in that direction. Looks to be about say 3/16" off perhaps. So the helm is always going to look slightly off angle.
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PostPosted: Wed 24 May, 2006 8:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Allan Senefelder wrote:
You can smack the nasal around some but it is actually pretty close to centered, the problem is that the bowel frame is installed in the brow strap cocked to the right( right looking at the picture). If you look at the set of rivets above the brow strap on the right side and then on the left side the distance between is shorter on the right and the helm "leans" in that direction. Looks to be about say 3/16" off perhaps. So the helm is always going to look slightly off angle.


Sort of the " Leaning tower of Spangenhelm " Razz Laughing Out Loud

Yup, the nasal only looks " off " because everything it's attached to " IS OFF " Eek!

Somehow this doesn't make it look better. Laughing Out Loud

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PostPosted: Wed 24 May, 2006 3:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I think you should send it back. Honestly, I've seen a lot of helm of medium to low quality (film props, etc), but it's the first time I see a helm that is so asymetrical in its construction. The finish is good however.

Make me think of the soldier that Robin Hood hit with his crossbow in the face in "Robin Hood, Prince of thieves", with the nasal sightly off afterward for the rest of the movie. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed 24 May, 2006 3:35 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

If it bothers you then you are not being too picky. Sure, as a user piece, the slightly offset nasal probably wouldn't be a problem, but as a collection piece I think the nasal should look straight no matter what you paid (unless, of course, you bought it at a discount because of the nasal). I understand that other people might not have a problem with it but all that really matters is if you have a problem with it. It's your money after all.
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PostPosted: Wed 24 May, 2006 7:28 pm    Post subject: Well, I guess I'm not out of line !         Reply with quote

I had to ask and I appreciate everyone's response. Thank You !

Not only was the nose guard out of alignment, but, the circumference was
almost an inch larger than quoted. I allowed for a arming cap! Not only did
the nose guard look bad, but I looked like I was wearing a bucket on my head.

This helm was by no means a high end piece and I guess I expected too
much, when I ordered it. I should have listened to myself... I always use
the term "you get what you pay for".

I returned the helm and that's when the problems started. I purchased it
through GDFB Ltd in England. It seems like the customer service goes to
hell once the money is spent.

It took a while, but, I did finally get a refund for the helmet and initial shipping.
I was told I would get a full refund, including shipping back to England.

When I expressed my concerns, I was told that my attiude was typical
This process took over a month and a half and I'm out about $35.00 for the
return shipping.

I probably won't be doing business with that establishment at any time
in the future. Not because of the helmet, but, because of the way I was treated.

Anyway, That's my story

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