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Björn Gísli Gylfason




Location: Denmark
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Sep, 2020 10:09 am    Post subject: DIY complex hilted grosse messer         Reply with quote

Happy enough with this one to share it here

Depending on who you ask it would classify as either a grosse messer or sabre but it's very much a messer in my mind. I was cursing myself through the whole making of the crossguard but after handling it assembled I think I really need to make more and even more complex Laughing Out Loud

Overall length is 111cm
Blade is 83 cm
Point of balance is 10 cm from the guard
Center of percussion 55cm from the guard right after where the fullers end
It has a distal taper from 7 mm at the shoulder down to 3 mm 4cm from the point
Weight is 1420 grams

Blade is spring tempered, hilt is mild steel and grip is cord bound wood core and leather

You might notice that this is a left handed weapon as I am left handed and I feel like we get pretty left out when it comes to complex hilts



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Bjorn Hagstrom




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PostPosted: Fri 04 Sep, 2020 11:36 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Awesome!

As a fellow left-hander I salute you Big Grin
Now if you would just go on to making a sinclair-hilt...

There is nothing quite as sad as a one man conga-line...
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Paul Hansen




Location: The Netherlands
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Sep, 2020 12:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Awesome work!

But for a DIY project, you do seem to have a rather impressive workshop... Eek!
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Björn Gísli Gylfason




Location: Denmark
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Sep, 2020 12:27 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Bjorn Hagstrom wrote:
Awesome!

As a fellow left-hander I salute you Big Grin
Now if you would just go on to making a sinclair-hilt...


Just had a look at some of them and yes, they really do look interesting and a complete pain in the butt to make which means I very well might try making one in the future

Paul Hansen wrote:
Awesome work!

But for a DIY project, you do seem to have a rather impressive workshop... Eek!


I have a pretty good workshop setup at home as I do all kinds of metalwork and fabrication Happy
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Matt Corbin




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PostPosted: Fri 04 Sep, 2020 8:46 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That’s REALLY cool. Whatever you call it. Bravo.

And definitely second the Sinclair hilt recommendation.

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Tim Lison




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PostPosted: Mon 07 Sep, 2020 7:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Damn fine work! I really like this. Well done.
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Alex Indman




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PostPosted: Wed 09 Sep, 2020 11:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Great work, especially for DIY!
I have done and posted a few DIY projects myself (with a much more primitive workshop), but never attempted complex hilts as I can't figure out how to assemble them, within my technical limitations. Do you have a welding setup in your workshop, or found some other way to build this hilt?

Alex.
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Björn Gísli Gylfason




Location: Denmark
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PostPosted: Sun 27 Sep, 2020 8:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Alex Indman wrote:
Great work, especially for DIY!
I have done and posted a few DIY projects myself (with a much more primitive workshop), but never attempted complex hilts as I can't figure out how to assemble them, within my technical limitations. Do you have a welding setup in your workshop, or found some other way to build this hilt?

Alex.


I do have various welders and used a tig welder to assemble this guard but I think that next time I attempt something like this I would like to try and braze it as I have a feeling many originals have been made in that way
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Michael P. Smith




Location: Muncie, Indiana
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PostPosted: Wed 14 Oct, 2020 5:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That's very nice!

I think whether you'd call it a sabre or a messer would depend upon handle construction. That looks like a traditional sword-like grip construction, rather than the full width tang and scales seen on the messer, but regardless of what you call it, it's extremely impressive!
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