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Erik Taliaferro




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PostPosted: Wed 04 Mar, 2020 2:21 pm    Post subject: Spanish Infantry armor circa 1490 help         Reply with quote

So, I am hoping to eventually do a historically accurate Spanish Infantry kit circa 1490. I specifically want info on this era on the continent, not conquistador stuff from decades later. I apologize if this has already been answered before, but I am looking for armor type and color. From what Ive gathered including from this site, the most common helmet was the sallet with bevor, and that red was the preferred color for hosin. Could yall help me with what armor would have been used by professional Infantry and what to avoid? Thanks.
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Henry R. Gower




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PostPosted: Wed 04 Mar, 2020 2:38 pm    Post subject: Spanish armor ca. 1490         Reply with quote

Hello,
I will view this post with interest. It is my understanding that Early Conquistador armor, Cortez (1519) and Ponce de Leon, for example, was a lot closer to the ca. 1490 equipage, than the high comb morions and complex hilted swords, of the later Spanish Explorers. I would start by looking up the Rodeleros, who used a Rodela, a round shield resembling an oversized buckler, on this site and on the net. Rodeleros used a fairly simple broadsword with downcurved quillons, there is a picture someone posted on this site, though I cannot remember the topic. The other topic to investigate is the Tercios, a military formation contemporary with the Rodeleros. Its a start anyway.
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Anthony Clipsom




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PostPosted: Thu 05 Mar, 2020 3:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This armour in the Musee de l'armee in Paris is said to be 1475-1500 Spanish

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6c/11/2c/6c112cc6169647af59ffacf1b3203326.jpg

provenance and whether this is a composite I don't know though.

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Anthony Clipsom




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PostPosted: Thu 05 Mar, 2020 4:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

On further investigation, I found a collection of pictures of the work of Rodrigo Aleman, a wood carver active in Spain in the 1490s. Not only was he good but his subjects were often sieges, so a great deal of period arms and armour on display here.

https://www.akg-images.co.uk/CS.aspx?VP3=SearchResult&VBID=2UMESQ5WECF1P6

Recommend scrolling through both pages, as there are armour images on both.

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Erik Taliaferro




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PostPosted: Thu 05 Mar, 2020 4:53 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Anthony Clipsom wrote:
On further investigation, I found a collection of pictures of the work of Rodrigo Aleman, a wood carver active in Spain in the 1490s. Not only was he good but his subjects were often sieges, so a great deal of period arms and armour on display here.

https://www.akg-images.co.uk/CS.aspx?VP3=SearchResult&VBID=2UMESQ5WECF1P6

Recommend scrolling through both pages, as there are armour images on both.


Thanks a ton! Those are some really good contemporary images of what Im looking for.
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Iagoba Ferreira





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PostPosted: Thu 05 Mar, 2020 11:36 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There are a lot of sources for that decade.

Check the painted clothes from Oa (Burgos):

https://viajarconelarte.blogspot.com/2013/07/las-sargas-de-san-salvador-de-ona-en-el.html?m=1

This blog has dozens of articles about artistic sources for military equipment in Iberia:
http://caballerosyarte.blogspot.com/?m=1

PM me if you need to ask something about pieces or museums here in Spain Wink
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James Arlen Gillaspie
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Mar, 2020 1:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I often tell people, 'A sallet is not a salade is not a Schaller is not a celata.' they all have tails and are not burgonets, but they have strong regional differences. Here are a couple of Iberian examples and a German example to show how different they can be.


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