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Bill Arnold




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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun, 2018 7:47 am    Post subject: Calvary sword help         Reply with quote

Any help would be appreciated. This sword has been in my family for along time, but was not from a relative. Any help on value etc would be great. Thank you in advance.


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Glen A Cleeton




Location: Nipmuc USA
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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun, 2018 7:51 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Welcome aboard.

Although I am fairly unschooled on late British swords, it appears to be a P1908 cavalry trooper sword. It was stamped with the "broad arrow" inspection and judging by the date and polished scabbard, an item that was used for mostly parade use. It is possibly a Canadian mounties sword. Values are tough to gauge but probably in the $400 or so range to replace. Searching on ebay and then looking at sold prices can be useful.

There are several over at SFI that could connect a lot of dots but price/value are off topic there.
http://www.swordforum.com/forums/forumdisplay...word-Forum

Cheers
GC
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Bill Arnold




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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun, 2018 7:54 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you GC. That was my guess by the little research I did on google,but thought Id ask for some help too.
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Peter Busch




Location: Sydney
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jun, 2018 2:44 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Bill Arnold wrote:
Thank you GC. That was my guess by the little research I did on google,but thought Id ask for some help too.


Hello Bill,

It is basically the (made for) Indian Army 1908 pattern cavalry sword. The Indian version of the British 1908 pattern cavalry swird which I believe India adopted in 1918, but somehow did not adopt the 1918 date. The grip is shorter than the British one and earlier ones were made of timber, later ones of plastics,dermatine etc.

You can see ISD (India Stores Department) stampted on it as well as the date 1937 - which (unless you see earlier years) means the year of manufacture. Is it a Wilkinson Sword?

Kind regards,

p.s. these swords are still used today by the Indian 61st cavalry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/61st_Cavalry_(India) -- I believe the last remaining true/real cavalry horsed unit in the world) and by other prestigious units like the Presidents Bodyguard of India (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President%27s_Bodyguard). And the Presidents Bodyguard of Pakistan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Pakistan#/media/File:Pakistan_cavalry_honor_guard.jpeg)

p.p.s. The officer versions of these swords - the Indian army versions of the 1912 are rarer and worth more than the Brtish Officer 1912 patterns if and when they ever appear for sale (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f5/Col_T_S_Mundi.jpg)

http://www.swordforum.com/fall99/1865.html
http://www.oakeshott.org/1831art.html
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Bill Arnold




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PostPosted: Sun 01 Jul, 2018 3:07 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Peter,

Thank you for the information. It also explains a lot. With the sword, I inherited a Dutch M91 Colonial East Indies revolver. These were found together by my grandfather. So, it would appear to me the pistol and the sword belonged to possibly an officer in the Indian army.

Thank you,
Bill
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Peter Busch




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PostPosted: Mon 02 Jul, 2018 3:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

My pleasure Bill. And yes the manufacturer of yours was Wilkinson Sword.
http://www.swordforum.com/fall99/1865.html
http://www.oakeshott.org/1831art.html
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Marcus Kwa




Location: The Netherlands
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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul, 2018 2:24 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Don't confuse the Dutch East Indies (current Indonesia) with India! Though the Dutch did for some time have possessions on the Indian subcontinent, these were already lost when the M91 (model 1891) revolver was issued. The revolver was made in Surabaya (now Indonesia) and was not used by others than dutch colonial troops. It is therefore very unlikely that the weapons came together along that path.
It is however very likely that the revolver was captured from the Japanese, since they used large numbers of these weapons after they had captured these from the Dutch when they had invaded the Dutch East Indies in the beginning of WWII.

Best regards,

Marcus
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