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Ian Hutchison




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PostPosted: Mon 29 Feb, 2016 3:24 am    Post subject: Windlass German Bastard Sword help         Reply with quote

I was wondering if someone who has a Windlass German Bastard Sword could give me the length and width of the sloth cut in the crossguard for the blade. I might cannibalize one to use the crossguard on a blade I've got and I want to see how much re-working will need to be done.

Thanks.

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Mar, 2016 4:03 am    Post subject: Windlass German Bastard Sword help         Reply with quote

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I wonder if there's any forumer here who keeps such sword.
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Mar, 2016 6:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Try Sean (Flynt), this is one of his favorite project sword - I sold him mine though so can't help further.
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Mar, 2016 11:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mine is about 5mm wide and 56mm long.
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Mar, 2016 1:55 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks very much for the help, much appreciated.

Mikko, does the slot taper, or is it a simple rectangle?

Thanks.

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Mar, 2016 3:02 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Plain rectangular, with a slightly wider round hole in the middle for the threaded part of the tang to pass through.
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Mar, 2016 9:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mikko Kuusirati wrote:
Mine is about 5mm wide and 56mm long.

That sounds wrong - far too wide for a tang slot?
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Mar, 2016 10:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Julien M wrote:
Mikko Kuusirati wrote:
Mine is about 5mm wide and 56mm long.

That sounds wrong - far too wide for a tang slot?

Well, yes - it's the slot for the blade shoulders, not the tang hole. Happy

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Mar, 2016 11:07 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Windlass guards are almost always very loose on their 3/16" blades, and have to be opened a bit with files for the H-T bare blades. Your blade is probably somewhere in that range. You can secure the cross with epoxied shims or, if the fit is just slightly too loose, by using a center punch to outline the slot while the piece is on the blade. That expands the steel at the top of the slot inward to meet the blade. I think shims work as well as anything, though.
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Mar, 2016 2:33 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mikko Kuusirati wrote:
Julien M wrote:
Mikko Kuusirati wrote:
Mine is about 5mm wide and 56mm long.

That sounds wrong - far too wide for a tang slot?

Well, yes - it's the slot for the blade shoulders, not the tang hole. Happy


Yep that fits, read the post sideways Happy
Windlass blade inserts are usually not that great, machine made and rather ugly. For customisation I prefer a guard without and to dremel it exactly to the blade cross section. with the right dremel cut disc, it's actually a pretty simple affair.
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Mar, 2016 7:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mine is about 5.5 mm x 57mm



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PostPosted: Mon 21 Mar, 2016 5:23 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Please,
which period is this sword, 15th century or 16th century?
On net I found different interpretations.

Thanx.
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PostPosted: Mon 21 Mar, 2016 6:53 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Kresimir Hruskovec wrote:
Please,
which period is this sword, 15th century or 16th century?
On net I found different interpretations.

Thanx.


Hilt: circa 1580
Blade: 14th century

It's based on this original:



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Longsword, Germany, circa 1580 (hilt) and 14th century (blade)

The hilt of blued steel; pear-shaped pommel; straight quillons, round in section and ending in pear-shaped knobs with spiral-roped collar; side-ring on either side. Waisted grip bound with cord and covered with leather. The broad, double-edged blade has a shallow hollow running three-quarters of its length. The maker's mark is a bell within a shield, inlaid in copper on both faces 13.8 cm from the hilt.

Blade length: 37.6" (95.5 cm); Blade width: 2.125" (5.4 cm); Weight: 4.52 pounds (2.05 kg)

Wallace Collection A.477

Literature:
Mann, James G., Wallace Collection Catalogues: European Arms and Armour Volume II, London: The Wallace Collection 1962
Norman, A. V. B., Wallace Collection Catalogues: European Arms and Armour Supplement, London: The Trustees of the Wallace Collection, 1986

http://wallacelive.wallacecollection.org/eMus...detailView

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Mar, 2016 6:45 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Interestingly enough, that 95.5cm is actually not the overall length - it's only the blade length.Windlass made the same mistake, taking those measurements at face value, which is why their reproduction has somewhat oddly squat proportions (the entire sword is only as long as the original's blade, while the other dimensions are fairly accurate). Happy
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PostPosted: Tue 22 Mar, 2016 9:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mikko Kuusirati wrote:
Interestingly enough, that 95.5cm is actually not the overall length - it's only the blade length.Windlass made the same mistake, taking those measurements at face value, which is why their reproduction has somewhat oddly squat proportions (the entire sword is only as long as the original's blade, while the other dimensions are fairly accurate). Happy


Unfortunately, the Wallace Collection doesn't have a consistent manner in which they represent their stats. It's really frustrating.

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Mar, 2016 11:01 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It's a shame because that really is a quite nice sword. It'd be very nice to see someone take at least the Windlass fittings, which are a reasonable approximation of the original's, and fit them to a more appropriately sized blade. A modified Hanwei-Tinker GSOW blade, perhaps.

For some reason it sticks to mind that perhaps Arms and Armour did a replica of this sword as well? I could well be wrong, though...
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