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Svyatoslav Pushkar




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PostPosted: Thu 24 Dec, 2015 12:31 am    Post subject: Unusual sword, help         Reply with quote

Dear friends, what d u think of that sword aprox 7-12cc AD.<a href="http://piccy.info/view3/9193504/dd23cc77040777c2028844160889fdad/1200/" target="_blank"><img src="http://i.piccy.info/i9/28975e70ad47d1b0b870b1c8ca89fbe3/1450945900/58945/930363/Screenshot_2015_12_24_00_51_15_800.jpg" alt="Piccy.info - Free Image Hosting" border="0" /></a><a href="http://i.piccy.info/a3c/2015-12-24-08-31/i9-9193504/450x800-r" target="_blank"><img src="http://i.piccy.info/a3/2015-12-24-08-31/i9-9193504/450x800-r/i.gif" alt="" border="0" /></a>
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Svyatoslav Pushkar




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PostPosted: Thu 24 Dec, 2015 12:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

http://piccy.info/view3/9193516/5f216b8712e071730b0b77b221094887/
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Svyatoslav Pushkar




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PostPosted: Thu 24 Dec, 2015 12:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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Svyatoslav Pushkar




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PostPosted: Thu 24 Dec, 2015 12:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

So sorry for bed photo...
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Svyatoslav Pushkar




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PostPosted: Thu 24 Dec, 2015 12:43 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Its 90 cm long. Yes its stupid say something by that photo, but...It was found in central part of Europe. Thanks for any ideas.
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Svyatoslav Pushkar




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PostPosted: Thu 24 Dec, 2015 2:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

No ideas?(( May be guard has the same construction with something
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Craig Peters




PostPosted: Thu 24 Dec, 2015 5:42 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

This sword is not an antique. If you look at the groove in the blade, it looks completely unlike any fuller I have seen on a Migration Era/Viking sword. Also, even in it's badly rusted state, the pommel looks all wrong: its shape is similar to a scent stopper pommel, which only begin on swords in the late Middle Ages (mostly the 15th century). Even in its general outline, the pommel is radically different from any 7th to 12th C sword pommel. From these two details alone, you can be 100% certain this is not an antique sword.
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Shahril Dzulkifli




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PostPosted: Fri 25 Dec, 2015 4:26 am    Post subject: Unusual sword, help         Reply with quote


Swords like this are normally kept at museums rather than sold as an antique.

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Matthew Amt




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PostPosted: Fri 25 Dec, 2015 6:56 am    Post subject: Re: Unusual sword, help         Reply with quote

Shahril Dzulkifli wrote:

Swords like this are normally kept at museums rather than sold as an antique.


Nah, most "portable" antiquities are in private hands, especially less "showy" ones like this. IF it's an antique, which seems doubtful.

This one looks really odd to me. I suspect that's the metal scabbard throat corroded to the blade and kind of blended with the guard. But is the *grip* iron as well? It looks like the whole hilt is slab or scale construction, with a full-width tang underneath, matching the outline of the hilt. Wouldn't that indicate a large dagger like a cinqueda, or something along those lines? I think those occasionally got very large, but of course it's not the right blade for a cinqueda. Ancient Greek swords were built that way, though this certainly isn't Greek. Just mulling options.

Well, it's certainly not the usual Made-in-India repro after an acid bath and some added mud! It would be interesting to get a better idea of what's underneath the crud.

Matthew
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Mark Lewis





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PostPosted: Fri 25 Dec, 2015 7:58 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Svyatoslav Pushkar wrote:
.It was found in central part of Europe.

Was it "found" in Ukraine? The hilt and possibly pommel as well are perhaps modeled on this remarkable example in Kiev.

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Svyatoslav Pushkar




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PostPosted: Fri 25 Dec, 2015 8:14 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank u for the answer! I found out that:


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Svyatoslav Pushkar




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PostPosted: Fri 25 Dec, 2015 8:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Craig, u are totally wrong, its original.it was found in Ukraine.
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Svyatoslav Pushkar




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PostPosted: Fri 25 Dec, 2015 8:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Some another photo. My friend found it with a metal detector


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Svyatoslav Pushkar




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PostPosted: Fri 25 Dec, 2015 8:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Interesting fastex was on sword)


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Lafayette C Curtis




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PostPosted: Thu 21 Jan, 2016 3:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Are there any ceremonial or fraternity swords from around the WW2 era that looked like this? I don't know, but the shape sort of recalls some of those medieval-inspired modern swords to my eyes. So it could be modern but pretty old in its own right.
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Shahril Dzulkifli




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PostPosted: Fri 29 Jan, 2016 3:42 am    Post subject: Unusual sword, help         Reply with quote


Can anybody tell me the whereabouts of this sword today?

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Robert Môc
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PostPosted: Fri 29 Jan, 2016 6:31 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It can be Byzantine,I think.
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